Speculative fire and camo tokens

No, you cannot target Camo Markers with an Attack, nothing in Spec Fire overrides this.

 

I'm sure you know this already considering how the question was worded, but for the newbies that might find this thread:
You can have a camo marker under a spec fire template as long as there is a non-marker actually targeted by your spec fire.

 

But you can specfire camo with targetless weapons (point at ground near the camo) and the camo just gets hit from the template, right?

 

Yes, but there won't be anything to 'hit' the Camo marker with, because Targetless weapons are all stuff like Smoke or Nimbus Grenades.

Edited after re-reading the question...

 

Just something to make it more clear:

Smoke/Eclipse/Nimbus grenades and/or launcher: Targetless
Other grenades (Normal, E/M, etc): Not Targetless

 

Further clarification - Speculative Fire lets you place the template off-centre, but if it's not a Targetless weapon, you must still pick an enemy trooper as the target, who must be in the template area. You're not targeting a spot on the ground.

 

Thanks!

IF there was a damaging Targetless weapon in the future, that's the way you could affect a camo. Gotcha.

 

To further add:
All ranges are measured to the nominated target as normal, not to the impact point of the template.

 

is it true?
i often use speculative fire to "win" a distance range for my LgL troopers even if i can see the target... was it my mistake?

 

Ranges are always measured as attacker to target, Spec Fire has nothing to override this.

It's an easy nuance to miss.

 

Not sure I agree with that. The FAQ in camouflaged is pretty clear in needing a "legal" ennemy target to hit a camo marker with a template weapon :

http://infinitythewiki.com/en/Camouflaged
Q: Can Camouflage Markers be indirectly hit by Templates Weapons? How does this interact with Impersonation?
A: If you hit an enemy trooper not in Camouflaged state and there is an enemy Camouflage Marker inside the Area of Effect of the Template, then the Camouflage Marker would be affected too. However, with an Impersonation Marker you can not declare the Attack because it counts as a friendly trooper.

So either
- your target is the camo market (non targetless weapon) and you cannot do it because it's illegal to target camo market with attack
- your target is not the camo marker, the camo marker is indirectly hit then see FAQ above : "if you hit an ennemy trooper not in camouflaged state)

Ennemy trooper is very clearly worded here

3 year playing the game and I still learn new things. The round template being around 20 cm large, it give a lot of room for range band abuse

 

120mm, same as a CD/DVD.

It works both ways though, as if the target is just outside your +3 range adjusting the location of the template won't change the range modifier.

 

I'm not sure we're disagreeing. You can't hit a Camo marker unless you're firing at a revealed target, but a Smoke Grenade doesn't hit anyone - that's why you can place it over your own troops.

 

He seems to indicate an edge case where you can't place a template over a "friendly" model, even if the "friendly" is an IMP and when the template is smoke.

I would agree with the IMP-as-friendly as long as the Template is a damage weapon, but definitely not in case of smoke. You can affect friendlies with smoke, that's what it is for.

 

Part of that edge case has been FAQ'd over already.

Q: Can weapons with the Impact Template Trait and no value in the damage attribute be fired with allied troopes in their area of effect? For example, a Smoke Grenade, an Eclipse Grenade or a Nimbus Grenade.
A: Yes.

 

Mind blown. So the single die roll for the spec fire can roll be a success against one target but be a failure against another (because rangebands)?

 

No, you measure from the attacker to the initial target to determine the mods against all affected targets, just like using a shotgun.

So if Fusilier Angus is firing his LGL at Beverly, and moves the template so it also hits Carlos, and the distance from A to B is 15" he will hit both on a 9 or less (BS12, +3 Range, -6 Speculative) even if the centre of the template is actually 16.5" away from Angus.

 

Aaah ok, this makes more sense to me.

 

also you always nominate the initial target of such attacks to determenie a critical success case