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Spec-Ops Tables for NA2

Discussion in 'ITS' started by daszul, May 7, 2019.

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Is it okay that all NA2 Spec-Ops use the same tables for skills and equipment?

  1. Sure, that's fine.

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    7.1%
  2. No, JSA should use the Yu Jing tables and Spiral the Tohaa tables

    16 vote(s)
    57.1%
  3. No, JSA should use the Yu Jing tables (I don't care about Spiral)

    3 vote(s)
    10.7%
  4. No, Spiral Corps should use the Tohaa tables (JSwho?)

    0 vote(s)
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  5. No, each should have its own tables

    5 vote(s)
    17.9%
  6. No, I think... (see post)

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  7. I don't care at all.

    2 vote(s)
    7.1%
  1. daszul

    daszul Well-Known Member

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    So all NA2 Spec-Ops get the same tables for their skills and equipment.
    This is fine for those that use the Brawler as base profile,
    but why for JSA and Spiral as well?

    I think it would be much better if JSA uses the Yu Jing tables and Spiral Corps the Tohaa tables.

    What do you think?
     
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  2. colbrook

    colbrook Black Fryer

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    I would definitely approve of the JSA Spec-Ops being able to use t the YJ table and buy a Cube!
     
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  3. daszul

    daszul Well-Known Member

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    Good point!
    This would solve the Cube problem as well!
     
  4. Section9

    Section9 Well-Known Member

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    I'm torn between letting JSA and Spiral have their own tables and giving all NA2 their own tables.
     
  5. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Spiral Corps are a human faction, however, not a Tohaa faction, so it makes about equal sense for them to use Tohaa as NA2.

    Yu Jing table was clearly designed with JSA in mind, however.
     
  6. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    The problem is that the "trusted operative" is not human in Spiral, but a Taagma. If the Specops were a Brawler, I would say the table was OK, but for a Taagma...
    To be fair, they should have a "Taagma mixed with NA2" table, but for simplicity the Tohaa makes, for me, more sense.

    As for YJ, yeah. The JSA specops should have that one, and YJ either keep that, or get an exclusive one.
     
  7. Strange(r)

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    I think this has to be a mistake because why would yu jing be able to choose a cube for a specop when both avalaible specops already have a cube. I guess this is just another copy and paste error from the old campaign paradiso book, which sadly are really numerous.
     
  8. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    To be perfectly honest, the NA2 table isn't too much of a deviation from what's already in JSA. They're missing Dual Wield, but on the other hand NBW shouldn't be there.

    They could equally "fix" the situation simply adding Cube to the NA2 table and then replacing all JSA-oriented options with more uniquely Yu Jing stuff.
    I.e. replace the following: Blitzen, MA4, Super-Jump, and above mentioned Cube. My suggestions for replacement stuff are: MA3, Tactical Awareness,or Automedikit, and that's not trolling. Automedikit seriously needs an overhaul, though, either to be very cheap or at very least to be automatic at start of turn and/or CT-enabled.
    Also, I don't see why Sapper, Veteran, and 360 visor are part of Yu Jing list. Sapper for everyone makes less sense than Forward Observer, the latter which I think no one has. Sensor or X-Visor makes more sense for Yu Jing than 360 visor.

    P.s. it's also funny how NA2 and Ariadna has Airborne Infiltration, but Nomads don't even get that in spite of being the premier Airborne Deployment faction
     
  9. daszul

    daszul Well-Known Member

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    With only 16% humans?
    Human: 5 Profiles (AVA 10)
    Anaconda (AVA 1)
    Brawlers (AVA 4)
    Warcors (AVA 1)
    Wardrivers (AVA 2)
    Monstruckers (AVA 2)

    Tohaa: 23 Profiles (AVA 51)
    Armand Le Muet (AVA 1)
    Chaksa Auxiliar (AVA 4)
    Chaksa Longarm (AVA 3)
    Chaksa Servant (AVA 2)
    Clipsos Infiltrators (AVA 2)
    Cube Jägers (AVA 2)
    Diplomatic Delegate (AVA 1)
    Draal Saboteur (AVA 3)
    Greif Operator (AVA 1)
    Hatail Aelis Keesan (AVA 1)
    Igao Unit (AVA 2)
    Kaauri Sentinels (AVA 6)
    Kaeltar Specialists (AVA 1)
    Kerail Perceptors (AVA 1)
    Kiel-Saan (AVA 3)
    Kiiutan Imposters (AVA 2)
    Kosuil Assault Pioneers (AVA 3)
    Kriigel Agents (AVA 2)
    Kumotail Bioengineers (AVA 1)
    Neema Saatar (AVA 1)
    Rasail Boarding Team (AVA 2)
    Reex Escorts (AVA 4)
    Taagma Schemers (AVA 3)

    Helot: 1 Profile (AVA 3)
    Helot Militia (AVA 3)

    At least you can argue that Spiral has access to the Brawlers,
    for whom these tables seem to be made,
    even though the Spec-Ops is a Taagma (Race: Tohaa), not a Brawler.
    But with JSA this is just completely wrong weird.
     
  10. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    No, with regards to the rules. Haqq Basic Impersonation works just fine against Spiral Corps.
     
  11. daszul

    daszul Well-Known Member

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    Interesting.
    Where is this stated?
     
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    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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  13. daszul

    daszul Well-Known Member

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    Ah, okay, thanks for the link.
    Not actually a rule but a ruling (FAQ/solved question).
    But this just means that human IMP-2 works against them as there are humans in that faction.

    Still, their Spec-Ops is a Tohaa, not a human/Brawler.
     
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  14. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    They are, but somethingsomething trade embargo getting hold of gear somethingorothervagueexcuse
     
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  15. daszul

    daszul Well-Known Member

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    Okay, that like totally convinced me! :sunglasses:
     
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