[SOLVED] Jammer total cover

1. Yes.
2. No, it ignors LoF as for orientation/smoke purposes, not when there's a wall or SS2 guy's ally in a way.

 

We know that SS is poorly worded. the examples make clearer that it refers to facing rather than seeing through walls.

Its not community consensus either, its IJWs RAI statement.

Example of Sixth Sense L1 vs a TO Camouflage Marker
A TO Camouflaged Spektr declares the first Short Skill of his Order: Moving towards a Maakrep Tracker with her back turned. The Spektr is inside the Tracker's Zone of Control, but he has not declared an Attack so she cannot use her Sixth Sense L1 to shoot back.
The Maakrep Tracker chooses to delay her ARO declaration until after the Spektr declares his second Short Skill. The Maakrep Tracker is allowed to delay her ARO both because the active trooper is a TO Marker and because of her Sixth Sense L1. The Spektr declares a BS Attack as the second Short Skill of his Order. Now that she is the target of an Attack, the Maakrep Tracker may benefit from her Sixth Sense L1 to react as if she was facing the Spektr and ignore the handicap imposed by the Spektr's Surprise Shot L1. The Tracker chooses to declare a BS Attack so the Order is resolved with a Face to Face BS Roll between both soldiers.

 

There's three reasons Troopers don't have LOF:
Outside of facing (LOF) arc
In total cover
They're in a Zero Vis zone.

These are understood to be different. But nothing in the rules makes that clear. Consequently nothing RAW prevents you shooting back with a BS Attack through Total Cover using Sixth Sense. This is a known issue and is just quietly ignored as per the RAI @daboarder explained.

Speculative Fire is an Entire Order and not an ARO: so you can't Speculative Fire back ever.

Jammers are also complex and don't behave like regular BS Attacks: can someone link the thread that comprehensively describes how they work? @Spleen

 

LoL

 

There is no raw that I can tell that applies to one and not the other. However everyone that i have played with has jammer ignores walls and SSL not.

The easiest answer is because SSL is one of the worst worded rules in the game and one shouldn't look at SSL to hard, it breaks everything.

 

RAW: yes you can shoot back.
RAI: No you can not shoot back.

It has been We know RAI is the official correct answer per IJW but it has not been errated yet.

 

You forgot a special case when a guy is standing behind his ally, so is a "sudo" total cover but can easily be hit by templates (and won't be able to fire back with SS2).

 

Dear god, Jammers are broken. Those, SS, and Pokemon are the only broken things in the game. One good round of FAQing could fix them all. I hope that does happen.

 

See, that's the line for me where SSL does start letting you shoot back even if no lof between the two.

 

That's how I would play it, and how I would re-write the rules to represent. Its unfortunate that the rules as written are so ambiguous on the topic.

 

Hello,

I don't think so. Jammer involve roll a dice and you can easily avoid the damage from this weapon with your own roll. The troops have to fail two Rolls. And no all the troups in game can be hit for a jammer, remember: veteran or morat rules. Yes, it is a powerfull weapon, but only that. "Pokemons" are other history, they don't need nothing to work.

 

The issue with jammers is usually the best you can do is reset. They need to at least make them comms equipment.

 

The Jammer is a Comms Attack, so you can declare Reset if you want (or shoot back, if you have LoF... and if it's your Active turn and you did a Speculative Fire declaration, you can suffer a FtF roll between the Jammer and your shot! XD).

The problem you might be seen is that you cannot hack the Heckler nor the Muttas with a Jammer to disable that piece of gear, but a Heckler is carrying already a Comms gear piece (the koala) until it spends it at least.

 

correct.