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[SOLVED]Is Spiral Corps a Human or Alien Army when determining the effects of Basic Impersonation?

Discussion in 'Solved Rule Questions' started by meikyoushisui, Jun 7, 2019.

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  1. meikyoushisui

    meikyoushisui Competitor for Most Ignored User

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    This doesn't seem to be actually codified in the rules anywhere. I've been told a few times that it is a human army, but there are literally only 4 human units in the entire army. What type of army each army is does not seem to be codified in the rules anywhere.
     
    #1 meikyoushisui, Jun 7, 2019
  2. toadchild

    toadchild EI Aspect
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    The “alien” armies are Tohaa, Combined, and the sectorials underneath that.
     
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    Arkhos94 Well-Known Member

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    #3 Arkhos94, Jun 7, 2019
  4. meikyoushisui

    meikyoushisui Competitor for Most Ignored User

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    Okay, so there is a ruling, it just makes no sense

    Thank you!
     
    #4 meikyoushisui, Jun 7, 2019
  5. meikyoushisui

    meikyoushisui Competitor for Most Ignored User

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    Is this codified in the rules anywhere?
     
    #5 meikyoushisui, Jun 7, 2019
  6. toadchild

    toadchild EI Aspect
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    Not especially well, no.
     
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  7. toadchild

    toadchild EI Aspect
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    I guess I don’t understand why you’re saying it doesn’t make sense.
     
    #7 toadchild, Jun 7, 2019
  8. NorthernNomad

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    I think he is saying he doesn't agree with the logic behind the ruling, not that he doesn't understand it.
     
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  9. meikyoushisui

    meikyoushisui Competitor for Most Ignored User

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    @NorthernNomad has it right, I don't understand the logic behind saying an army with 25 alien units and 4 human units is a human army.
     
    #9 meikyoushisui, Jun 7, 2019
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    Helots (not human, but from the Human Sphere)
    Brawlers
    Wardrivers
    Cube Jägers (most Cube Jägers are Tohaa, but not all)
    Anaconda
    Monstruckers
    Warcors

    But in any case, Spiral Corp in the background was an existing human Mercenary Company that was bought up by the Triumvirate so that they can move around the Human Sphere without arousing as much suspicion as an actual Tohaa force would.
     
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  11. meikyoushisui

    meikyoushisui Competitor for Most Ignored User

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    Ah, I missed the Anaconda. I wasn't counting Helots because they aren't humans, and is there a fluff bit about non-Tohaa Cube Jagers I can read anywhere?

    In either case, the huge bulk of Spiral Corps is Tohaa, and Spiral Corps specifically seems like it would probably have some training to combat the threat of Shasvastii infiltration.
     
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  12. toadchild

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    I gotcha; I was looking at it more from a meta standpoint. 1. Spiral has unmodified human troops 2. NA2 is a “human” top level army.

    If Spiral had been a Tohaa sectorial instead of an NA2 sectorial I would be right there with you.
     
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    https://human-sphere.com/index.php?title=Cube_Jaeger

    They've been around since the Neocolonial wars but it turns out that Tohaa took to the job like an artichoke to salad!
     
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  14. meikyoushisui

    meikyoushisui Competitor for Most Ignored User

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    This is the part I take issue with. In the thread where I was whining (yeah, I know what I'm doing) about Spiral getting NA2 tables for Spiral Corps specops, a couple posters seemed to take the stance that NA2 is more of an administrative grouping than anything else. There's no reason NA2 armies need to be "human" or "alien", since NA2 is just a catch-all for armies that don't fit within the boundaries of any vanilla faction.
     
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    If that’s how you’re looking at it I can see your position a little better. Thanks for clarifying!
     
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  16. Ginrei

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    To provide a practical explanation, how many human troopers does a faction need to have before impersonators can do what they do? I'd argue the answer is only one.
     
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  17. toadchild

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    We have to be a little careful with things like that or we end up with philosophical questions like “are Bit and Ko-Dali still human?” in which case Combined Army might be a “human” faction.
     
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    Don't CA now have humans in it with Greif operators?
     
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    It's all about Bob from Accounting. If the army has human accountants (human HR, human PR, etc) than Impersonation works like against a human faction.

    That's my hot take on it.
     
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  20. daszul

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    Because they are in CA i thought they were Tohaa.
     
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