As given from the official Rulebook: »Troopers cannot draw LoF through a Zero Visibility Zone. »»Inside a Zero Visibility Zone, troopers can only declare Skills that do not require LoF or that require them to be in base to base contact with their target. »»Any trooper who is the target of a BS Attack into or out of a Zero Visibility Zone, or whose LoF traverses a Zero Visibility Zone, may respond to the attacker even without LoF, provided the trooper is facing the attacker. »»However, without a clear LoF to his target, the trooper’s ARO (or second Short Skill of his Order in Active Turn) options are reduced to BS Attack with a -6 MOD or Dodge without the MOD. »»This -6 BS MOD stacks with other MODs to BS from Special Skills, Equipment, Partial Cover, Range, etc., but never with other Visibility Zone MODs. »»If the trooper is not facing the attacker, but the Attack is performed inside his Zone of Control, then the ARO can be Change Facing. Smoke generates a Zero visibility zone.Given the use of "through" it either suggest 2 things. A:) It generates a circular template of Zero visibility where miniatures inside the template and outside the template cannot draw any line of fire from inside-out, outside in, or through the template. B.) It generates a circular template of Zero visibility where miniatures outside the template can still draw LoF to the miniture inside the circular template, but cannot see any miniatures on the opposite side of the template. Basically meaning that if a miniature were to end his first move inside the smoke template, AROs can still be drawn even without Multispectral visor due to the fact that Zero Visibility Zone does not prohibit LOF from being drawn into the zone, only through it.
Assuming you're asking which of those two to use, it's the first one. No LoF can be drawn into, out of, through or within a Zero Visibility Zone.
Okay, because given from the official rules, I couln'd't articulate that No LOF of any kinda can be drawn into/out of / through a Zero Visiblity Zone. We had a big argument over the semantics of "through", since other zones specified such as "poor visibility zones" specifically stated "Any Skill, Special Skill or piece of Equipment that requires LoF and is declared from, into or through a Poor Visibility Zone suffers a -6 MOD to the relevant Attribute in the required Roll." While Zero Visibility Zone just stated "Troopers cannot draw LoF through a Zero Visibility Zone", never calling out in words "Inside/ From/ Into" it was a real headache, because we played under definition B, which screwed over everything I did since my opponent argued that by the ommision of inside/into/from , it allowed his troopers without MSV to shoot into a Smoke Template even though all I did was (First Skill Move, Second Skill Idle) inside. Edit: Unless Corvus makes a direct FAQ edit to Zero visiblity zone from ""Troopers cannot draw LoF through a Zero Visibility Zone" into "Troopers cannot draw LoF through, into, or from a Zero Visiblity Zone", it will continue to be a point of contention within my Infinity group.
Look at bullet three for more context: Any trooper who is the target of a BS Attack into or out of a Zero Visibility Zone, or whose LoF traverses a Zero Visibility Zone, may respond to the attacker even without LoF, provided the trooper is facing the attacker.
So basically to clarify: Troopers cannot draw LoF through a Zero Visibility Zone. = Troopers Cannot draw LoF through/from/into a Zero Visiblity Zone, becuase: "Any trooper who is the target of a BS Attack into or out of a Zero Visibility Zone, or whose LoF traverses a Zero Visibility Zone, may respond to the attacker even without LoF, provided the trooper is facing the attacker." - Which states the only time a miniature can ARO (Shoot) against an enemy inside smoke is if it was declared + selected first as an attack from the Active miniature. - Therefore, simply moving into a Zero Visibility Zone does not generate an BS ARO, since in order to first declare an BS ARO, the ARO unit must first be selected as an target of a BS Attack from the active miniature./
Yep, you got it right but try to make it simpler: ZeroVZ = No LoF unless base to base, most actions and AROs like BS attack require LoF, so no LoF, no action most of the time (without counting gear MSV2+) Now, the extra rules are there to avoid that a MSV2 model in a smoke zone may have a field day. Without these extra rules to react without LoF the targeted model inside the ZeroVZ couldn't even dodge, as LoF are a requisite to dodge versus non template attacks, and that would be broken. Also remember that you can still generate AROs if you walk into a ZeroVZ inside of the control zone of an enemy (you won't get shot, but you can still get hacked for example)
Hi everyone, I really would appreciate if someone can clarify to me a further thing. Let's say that all the rules are explained in this topic. At the end of the discussion, an active trooper outside the zvz can declare BS attack with -6 MOD at an enemy trooper inside a zero visibility zone or NOT? Thanks in advance to anyone will helping me <3 guys.
Only if they are first attacked by the trooper in the ZVZ. For example, Fusilier Angus moves with his first skill into view of the Intruder Ortega who is currently sat inside a smoke cloud. Ortega declares a BS Attack ARO against Angus, who can then respond with a BS Attack (at -6) with his second skill. If Ortega had chosen an ARO that wasn't an Attack (or not to ARO at all) then Angus cannot shoot him. The rule very intentionally use the word respond rather than React because it applies in both Active and Reactive turns.
Thanks very much for the clarification, I'm experiencing lots of issues to understand what are the things a trooper can do or not, reading the English rules. I've found, personally, many things like this one vaguely explained and misleading.
100% agree. If i read the englisch definition of the rules, it's always for me, that you can shoot INTO an ZVZ but not THROUGH. This a 2 different meanings. The other thing is (even though everyone explained differently), when i'm reading this part of the Rule i'll understand, that everyone kann should into an Model IN a ZvZ (in case, sure with malus -6), because there's is nothing written, that only when the attackermodel IN the ZvZ is shooting... Here the ruletext: for me, i understand this ruletext for both: the agressor and the target. but everone says, that you can't shoot into.....
I think the two of you are used to a different sentence structure than English. Maybe the rules in German or French makes more sense following? I'm certainly having a small bit of problems understanding what, precisely, is the problem. It's as if there's some vital words left out in the sentence. In either case; You're parsing that a bit strangely. BS Attack is a concept. It does not say "who is target of BS, may attack" as it seems you're parsing it. It says "who is the target of a <BS Attack [with list of conditions]>" What it say is, roughly; IF attacked - by someone hidden by a Zero Visibility Zone - you may shoot back through the Zone - IF you are facing towards the attacker. Note that "without LOF" can be confusing even to English and Spanish speakers, it does not mean you get to shoot through walls because of this particular rule.
Thanks anyone for the explanations. What is really bothering me is that I can't understand if the target could reply to the bs attack, does the attacker provide an ARO to other models that are not attacked outside the Zvz? Or just and only the target can shoot back?
