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Smoke dodge vs dodge, is it F2F?

Discussion in 'Rules' started by KGG, Jul 15, 2022.

  1. KGG

    KGG Well-Known Member

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    As 'smoke dodge' is a BS-attack, does it cause a F2F against a dodge?
    Does it change if the smoke template covers the enemy unit or not?
    Does it change if another unit is shooting the 'dodging' enemy too?

    EDIT: Noticed 'smoke dodge' only applies against enemy 'attacks', so presume 'smoke dodge' would be invalid against a dodge and therefore resolve to idle?

    What happens in a smoke dodge vs smoke dodge situation? would that be F2F as it's BS-Attack vs BS-Attack?
     
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  2. QueensGambit

    QueensGambit Chickenbot herder

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    "Smoke Dodge" doesn't exist in N4. Smoke is just a BS Attack, with a special rule that says "Performing an Attack with a weapon with Smoke Ammunition allows the user to make a Face to Face Roll against all enemy Attacks that require a Roll and LoF, and whose LoF passes through the Zero Visibility Zone generated by the Smoke Template."

    So a Smoke BS Attack against a Dodge isn't F2F.

    Two Smoke BS Attacks, each of which would block the other's LoF to their target point on the table... might be F2F? They're BS Attacks which require a Roll and LoF (to the target point), so I don't see why not. It never comes up because if your opponent throws smoke and you don't want it to go down, you normally shoot at them to make a F2F and also potentially wound them. Throwing your own smoke to prevent their smoke wouldn't make sense, because even if you succeed, there's smoke on the table.
     
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  3. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    Didn't exist in N3 either, it was "Declaring a BS Attack with the Special Dodge trait"
     
  4. solkan

    solkan Well-Known Member

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    No, it wouldn’t resolve to Idle. Just like Reset vs. a normal ammo BS Attack doesn’t resolve to Idle—you only switch to idle when dealing with invalid requirements.
     
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  5. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    In the entry for Smoke special ammunition it specifically says that being caught in the area of effect means you get to make a normal roll against the Dodge skill. Otherwise, you're right, it would be FtF.

    There's a similar thing where if it weren't for the wording on MSV, directly throwing a smoke grenade at someone with MSV would create a FtF situation. I suggest reading the rules for Smoke carefully.
     
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