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Skylla and cybermask

Discussion in 'ALEPH' started by dicehex, Jan 4, 2018.

  1. dicehex

    dicehex New Member

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    Hey,

    I'm a bit confused about Skylla and the KHD program: Cybermask.
    Sorry if the answers are obvious to you guys, I'm just having trouble getting it all straight.

    I'll try to put all my questions into points.

    -Skylla gets IMM2 [edit: IMP2], and the model is replaced with an IMM2 [edit: IMP2] token. What about the Devabots with her? Are they also markers now?

    -If not, are the bots considered to be "controlled" by a "friendly" IMM2 [edit: IMP2] and therefore need to be "discovered" in ARO? (If Skylla's marker is not in LoF.)

    -Are the bots still considered enemy units, generating AROs as normal? Can they flame in ARO and have Skylla remain in IMM2 [edit: IMP2]?

    I hope you can see where I'm at with this. I don't know how to figure all this out, maybe one of you could give me a run-down on how cybermask works with synchronized bots?

    Thanks heaps. :)
     
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  2. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    http://infinitythewiki.com/en/index.php?title=Ghost_(G)&redirect=no#Ghost:_Synchronized

    G: Synchronized and Hacking Programs
    If the player activates any Hacking Programwhich provides any MOD or state to the Controller of a G: Synchronized trooper (Cybermask, or Kaleidoscope, for example), then such MOD or state will also be applied to the G: Sychronized trooper.

    If Scylla is discovered then the bots will also be, however a discovered bot will not reveal Scylla.

    In ARO a bot can declare BS Attack without revealing Scylla as long as Scylla does not also declare an ARO.
     
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  3. dicehex

    dicehex New Member

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    That means, when Skylla succeeds at Cybermask, I replace her and her bots with IMM2 [edit: IMP2] tokens.

    As for the rest... that's amazing!

    Thanks!
     
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  4. dicehex

    dicehex New Member

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    When I have three IMM2 [Edit: IMP2] markers, and I use a movement order, do I have to make it clear to my opponent which one is Skylla?
    Or can I shuffle them around, and just make a private note of which marker she is?
     
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  5. jherazob

    jherazob Well-Known Member

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    Sorry, but it's IMP-2, not IMM-2, not quire the same thing :sweatsmile:
     
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  6. dicehex

    dicehex New Member

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    Yeah, I just finished editing to say exactly that. Sorry. hehe
     
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  7. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    You should check the Impersonation rules, and the marker rules. That being said, both for Scylla and Bit&Kiss:

    • You roll WP to activate Cybermask, if sucessful change the hacker and all syncronized units that have a repeater for Impersonation markers (meaning the Devabots for Scylla, and Bit for Kiss).
    • You do not reveal which is which, what is under a marker is private information (but you have to be aware of which is which). However, since they started as models and then went to markers, you would neeed to "cross them" one over another to shuffle which is which... and as soon as you move one of the markers more than 10cm the rival will know that one is not Scylla.
    • The repeaters stop working while in camo state (so an enemy hacker cannot go inside you camo marker's ZoC with total cover and try to hack one of your other hackers back in the field).
      • If an allied troop tries to use a troop's repeater while that troop is in marker state, reveal the troop (so if your EVO tries to hack through one of the Devabots, that Devabot gets revealed, no matter if it's as an ARO or a regular order).
    The jury is out regarding the reveal of one or all of the markers against a Discover roll (I vote only the Discovered one, unless it's Scylla, in which case you reveal all) and attacking with only one/two of the markers (again, I vote that if one is Scylla reveal all, if it's the Devabot then reveal just that troop).

    Usual role for Scylla is to go cybermaks and move to the middle of the board, set up the flamethrowers and control that midfield, with the random objective grabbing when the opportunity arises.
     
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  8. ijw

    ijw Ian Wood aka the Wargaming Trader. Rules & Wiki
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    • Repeaters are irrelevant, it's the G: Synchronized Skill that's passing on the IMP-2 state. You're probably thinking of the EVOware Overwatch program.
    • Crossing them through the same space is going to have no effect on remembering which is which, because the active player has to specify exactly which trooper/marker is moving where, so you'd need to specify the end point etc. of each trooper/marker separately.
    • The Repeaters don't stop working, the opponent just isn't allowed to use them.
    As far as Discover is concerned, the jury covered this as soon as Scylla coming out, there's no ambiguity. :grinning:

    If you Discover one of the Devabots, just that Devabot is revealed because Scylla's Cybermask program is still running to cover the others,
    If you Discover Scylla then all three are revealed because the Cybermask program stops running.
     
  9. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    I'd say is the combo of Repeater + Synchronized, really. But there are no hackers with synchronized troops aside from Scylla and Bit that I can think of, so...
    The crossing through the same point is a weak shuffle against inattentive opponents, yeah, but the only way you can try to confuse the opponent. Try, with next to none chances of success. Poor wording on my part, like the 3rd point.

    As I suggested, Scylla is like a Payload delivery system for a pair of heavy flamethrowers. However, I forgot to say Kiss' "primary" role, which is mainly hacking coverage thanks to her repeaters (and Minelayer lets her start the game with a repeater already placed inside her Deployment Zone and ZoC, which is kinda comfy for the Unidron fireteam on Onyx, both for supportware and White noise) and ARO threat against enemy hackers (with support from the EVO mainly, which is the biggest winner with her addition thanks to both its combi and 2 upgrade programs)... So bit is giving the EC a repeater coverage next to the one Nomads have, to an extent; meanwhile Kiss is both a hacking threat like the Devabots, and a great "Big game hunter" thanks to it ADL (preferred targets: TAGs for a "roll PH-6 or bring an engineer to use this troop" which also won't kill the troop, meaning less chances of Retreat)... really sweet against Hsiens, if you have a Legate H+ then you can also negate all enemy modifiers!
     
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    Nenyx Well-Known Member

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    By the way, IMP repeaters are still working, and can be used by the owner of Scylla. But then the repeater is revealed, even if it was another hacker that used it (if it was Scylla, it would be irrelevant since Cybermask would have ended).
     
  12. dicehex

    dicehex New Member

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    Brilliant. That clears things up very nicely. So glad I asked here. :blush: I was 10 wiki tabs and a pair of books deep, and still getting nowhere.
     
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