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SAA/Acon for IP 2019

Discussion in 'PanOceania' started by moxtron, Jun 11, 2019.

  1. moxtron

    moxtron Member

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    Hello everyone
    i'm thinking about taking the Schock Army to the Interplanetario this year
    for that i created two lists that i currently am comfortable with playing in almost all the missions
    ( Supplies, Hunting Party, Unmasking, Highly Classified, Firefight, Frostbite)

    SAA
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]9 [​IMG]1
    REGULAR (Sapper) MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 22)
    REGULAR (Sapper) MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 22)
    REGULAR (Minelayer, Sensor) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 14)
    REGULAR (Minelayer, Sensor) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 14)
    REGULAR Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    REGULAR Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    BULLETEER Spitfire / Electric Pulse. (1 | 23)
    NAGA (Minelayer) Boarding Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 27)
    SCYLLA Hacker (Killer Hacking Device UPGRADE: Maestro) Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser + 1 Devabot Charybdis / Pistol, E/M CC Weapon. (0.5 | 27)
    [​IMG] DEVABOT CHARYBDIS Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (7)
    WARCOR (360º Visor) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 3)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]8
    NAGA Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 30)
    FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    PEACEMAKER Heavy Shotgun + AUXBOT_3 / Electric Pulse. (0 | 21)
    [​IMG] AUXBOT_3 Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (- | 4)
    PALBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    REGULAR (Infinity Spec-Ops) (12 XP) (WIP:14, Doctor, Minelayer, Hacking Device, 360º Visor) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 11)
    PALBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    MACHINIST Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15)
    AKAL COMMANDO Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, E/M CCW. (0 | 21)

    6 SWC | 300 Points

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    The first one is a list more on the less specialist side designed with Firefight in mind thats why there are 4 Minelayer to defend my deploymend Zone and the Board edges and the Akalis as a Airborne trooper to use the buff the mission grants.
    After that i wanted to make a full defensive Fireteam out of the 2 regular Minelayer thats why there are 2 multisniper. Then the leutnant and a decoy. Continuing in group one i have 1 obvious attack piece in the form of the Bulletier then i opted for Scyla over Dart as a secont attack piece again with Firefight in mind becuase she bring a buitiful heavyfalmer along so that i can keep my Deployment zone even more safe and force my opponent to go the normal way through the sniper and Flashpulse bot AROs. Then as the last thing i took the warcor because i don'r ealy know what to spend my commant tokens for so i might as well make his order regular.
    Then the second group has my 3 specialists in it, the akal as an attack piece to use all the orders from the second Group, a peacemaker to defend the midfield and force of enemy Hacker who want to press some buttons by being a repeater. And then last 3 bots as ARO pieces.

    I like the list and played 3 games with it this weekend and the only thing that realy bothers me is the akalis i never had succes with him and always felt that i wold prefer the Combi rifle over the Bording shotgun simply to attack from a longer range and can choose my targets with more care and woun't be forced to get close and personal to use my weapon to its full potential. But i can't realy think of a way to shave of a single point to fit the combi rifle in :/

    I played Supplies with it against OSS where the Akal died to an TO forward observer
    2. Game hie Tried to attack a mobile brigarda link but only managed to kill the Daktari.
    3. game was hunting party where he did ok but i droped him way to late to use his full potential because my opponent blocked off all table edges


    Acon
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]9 [​IMG]1
    REGULAR (Sapper) MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 22)
    REGULAR (Sapper) MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 22)
    REGULAR (Minelayer, Sensor) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 14)
    REGULAR (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 11)
    REGULAR Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    REGULAR Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    BULLETEER Spitfire / Electric Pulse. (1 | 23)
    DART Submachine Gun, Viral Tactical Bow, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon, Knife. (0 | 34)
    NAGA (Minelayer) Boarding Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 27)
    TECH-BEE (Remote Assistant Level 1, Specialist Operative) Flash Pulse / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]8
    PATHFINDER DRONBOT Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 16)
    NAGA Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 30)
    FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    PEACEMAKER Heavy Shotgun + AUXBOT_3 / Electric Pulse. (0 | 21)
    [​IMG] AUXBOT_3 Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (- | 4)
    TRAUMA-DOC Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14)
    PALBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    REGULAR (Infinity Spec-Ops) (12 XP) (WIP:14, Engineer, Minelayer, Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Drop Bears (Throwing Weapon) / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 11)
    PALBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)

    5.5 SWC | 300 Points

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    The second Lis very much the same but i droped some of the Defense for a little bit more aggression in the form of Dart and 2 Forward observer to have them in a list for Highly classified.

    apart from that i changed the Specs of my Spec ops a little bit to acomplish for the increased amount of drones.
    I had a lot more succes with that list than with the other but i can't really say why could just be that i am more comfortable with Dart than with the Akal.

    I designed that list for Frostbite, Supplies and Highly classified ( maybe Unmasking)
    i can run to the 3 middle objectives really fast with the Hacker and the Pathfinder so i think it is quite good for these missions. also in a Vacum i can akomplish every classified except for "follow up"

    But i have to say, that i don't like the Tec Bee because for what i'm doing with her she is 2 wasted points and a wip less than a warcor, but i could not come up with an idea where to send these 2 points.

    In conclusion do you have any thoughts about obvious problems i could run in with these lists that i fail to see because of my local meta or any advice on troopers i could use to break outside of my comfort zone but still keep the intention of the list.

    Thanks for reading
    Mox
     
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  2. yoink101

    yoink101 Well-Known Member

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    I think it’d be worth swapping a Sapper and a minelayer sensor for a Bagh Mari sniper and a vanilla Regular. The sappers are amazing, but the Bagh Mari are just slightly better gunfighters. Between the Nagas and Dart/peacemaker you’ve got some presence up the table, but a couple of dominant linked snipers could present serious difficulties for you.

    I love the spec ops in the second list. Also, 18 orders is killer.
     
  3. Death By Monkeys

    Death By Monkeys Well-Known Member

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    I'll second the suggestion for a Bagh Mari sniper/combi Regular instead of the sapper and minelayer Regulars.

    Also, I would say you should drop your Warcor and boost the Akal to the Combi + E/Mitter profile. Woulda been a lot more helpful against that Mobile Brigada link. Don't forget - the E/Mitter uses E/M2 ammo so straight immobilizes HI and TAGs.
     
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  4. barakiel

    barakiel Echo Bravo Master Sergeant
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    Lists look good... Well structured. I also agree on the Bagh Mari Sniper, especially if you also have a backup Sapper in case you fight someone with a lot of White Noise.

    I like the Spec Ops too, for generally helping the list. One consideration, instead of minelayer and the WIP boost, is just taking a Jammer instead. It'll help with Area Denial, has tons of utility, and hopefully your Minelayer need is covered by other units in the list.

    It'll lose some capability if isn't linked, but it will still help you defend against some of those DZ hunters that aren't too worried about an antipersonnel mine blast.
     
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  5. moxtron

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    Thank you for your replies i will defenently try adding the Bagh Mari in the 2. List to use the 2 Points i spend on the tech bee

    for the first idea to stip the warcor from list one i also think about exchanging one fugazi for a mulebot and put that one in Group one for the now missiong Warcor
    also i will try the Jammer in That List also the Jammer brought me on another idea because the Minelayer is 14 Points and the Doc is 14 as well i could swap out the spec ops for an actual doc and put the Jammer Spec ops inside the Link or at least next to it to sub into the link and if i have first turn to boost the Bulleteer without activating the link.
     
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  6. barakiel

    barakiel Echo Bravo Master Sergeant
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    @moxtron if you can get the Spec Ops into the link, I definitely think it's worth it. A Jammer with link bonuses is terrifying.

    For the record too, I like your use of the Regular Forward Observer. Obviously, the .5 SWC cost on that guy is wierd, but if you have the SWC available, why not use it? I do the same.
     
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  7. Urobros

    Urobros Well-Known Member

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    As a "really old Acontecimento player" (this year I played it in a few tournaments, but alternated with SSO, and next tournament I will come back to Hassasin) I have to say "I like the lists" but you place a lot of "multi snippers". Most of your CAP is in ARO pieces. I'am trying to place one snipper (baghmari or not) and something more offensive as baghmari hmg, or even a "spitfire regular". You are plenty of mines so you shouldn't need both snippers. If you still will play with boht I'am totally agree with the replacement of a sapper for a baghmari.

    If you are a little lucky you could use both lists in the most restrictive Inter. scenary: Highly Classified, so maybe you could change the double snipper in one lists, so you will have one more defensive list and other more offensive.

    Of course all of this is my opinion, and I have to say that my Acontecimento List are really really differents as yours.

    I really don't know what I will play in "Interplanetario", but a really big chance of Acontecimento exists!! :)

    Best regards!!

    Edit: I fixed some words errors... I wrote too fast and "do it" was a CALL to disaster XD
     
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  8. moxtron

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    Ok i tried the Bagh Mari in the 2. List yesterday and it was really good (maybe because i played against Ariadna). I was able to use him as an offensive attack piece against some Camo units that smokded him off in the active turn and relied on their camo as defense for the reactive
    but the Sniper made short work with them i really have to tahnk you for that idea.

    this weakend i will play a tournament where i have scylla in bot lists and will see how to get better with her because i noticed that it is really easy to overextend with her.
     
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  9. Ayadan

    Ayadan Knight of the TAG Order

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    Scylla is just a homing missile. You don't play her for holding ground and survive, you use her as a mass murderer.
     
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  10. Urobros

    Urobros Well-Known Member

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    Except when you tried to do Cibermask several times and only turned on a waste of orders... Becaus WIP 13 :P
     
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  11. Ayadan

    Ayadan Knight of the TAG Order

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    That's the main issue. But even at WIP 15, you still can fail multiple times (seen it in live and felt so sorry for my opponent when his Interventor strictly failed every WIP roll he had to make).
     
  12. Urobros

    Urobros Well-Known Member

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    I made a joke, it is true that several times you gain nothing triying to "cibermasked", but most of the time you will do a lot with Scylla in cibermask. (I'am not really a fan of scylla, but I recognize is a good profile, specially in Acontecimento).
    But most of the times is a "second turn profile", you do a lot of things in the firt turn, one of then cibermask (with probably the first or the last order) an them you will left scylla waiting his chance to do some serious damage.
     
  13. Marduck

    Marduck Well-Known Member

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    Your list look solid, but a lot of spam. I don't like to have my DZ overcrowded. On the other hand t's good to have a lot of long range ARO since a lot of Interplanetario tables are fairly opened.

    With so many REM why don't you play the EVO ? With the machinist next to it even the killer hacker will have some hard time to finish him (2 level of unconsciousness, and your hacking is disabled when you are unconscious)

    Personnaly I prefer dart over Scylla. But I never played Scylla though ... should give her a try.

    Here is what I like to play. But I can see an argument to replace the bag mari sniper for a regular sapper or an Orco since white noise tricks can ruin your day.

    PowerP, Frontline
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10
    REGULAR (Minelayer, Sensor) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 14)
    REGULAR Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)
    REGULAR Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    REGULAR Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    BAGH-MARI (Minelayer) MULTI Sniper Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 28)
    BAGH-MARI HMG / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 26)
    BULLETEER Spitfire / Electric Pulse. (1 | 23)
    MACHINIST Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15)
    PALBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    NAGA (Minelayer) Boarding Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 27)
    DART Submachine Gun, Viral Tactical Bow, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon, Knife. (0 | 34)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]6
    MULEBOT Hacker (EVO Hacking Device) Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 25)
    FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    NAGA (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 28)
    AKAL COMMANDO Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, E/M CCW. (0 | 21)

    5.5 SWC | 300 Points

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  14. Urobros

    Urobros Well-Known Member

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    I really like to see people playing Acontecimento. It looks like are a lot of SAA players :) And for a Sectorial is amazing how people choose one profile over others, changing how the list works. Yes, most of us play the "core" with ARO piece, but them, "all changes". I like it. A lot!

    What about Drakios? Nobody loves him? I prefer him over Scylla (yes, I'am aware of they are differents profiles, but both comes with REMs and from "Aleph").

    Thinking on the lists posted by @moxtron and too the one from @Marduck , in Frostbyte, what is the plan? I played it only a couple of times with SAA and I think is really hard for Aco. More in list with lack of HI and only a few models which can broke the "heaters". How do you confront this scenary?
     
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  15. Marduck

    Marduck Well-Known Member

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    @Urobros my understanding is that frostbyte is not about the heater or even about killing the ennemy that much. It's more about having your data tracker in the middle zone at the end and killing the ennemy data tracker.

    So I would try :
    1 - Kill the ennemy data tracker
    2 - Kill everything that threaten my data tracker and protect him
    3 - Heat my zone

    You may want a mobile brigada or an orco as a data tracker. The Orco can also be part of the link, which is nice. You probably have to drop the bag mari then. And dart with 10/8 orders and climbing plus is great at hunting data trackers.
     
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  16. Ayadan

    Ayadan Knight of the TAG Order

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    I see Drakios being more and more relevant against all the MSV2 ARO pieces you see across the board nowadays. Plus the stealth combined with his REMs is excellent to diffuse Jammer camo troopers like ZC and Heckler. He is pricey for an average shooter and average CC specialist but his niche becomes more and more prevalent, so yeah, you should consider him now.
     
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