I realize there is a bit of a debate about "is MO competitive", and while I have my own opinions and wish list, I want to give it a solid try. I've read the is MO competitive thread, and the MO guide and the Heavy Infantry Guide but I still struggle to put a list together I like. I'm hoping the wise forumites here can help me figure out how to make the most of what we have, and how some of the pieces of this sectorial come together. (One unfortunate note, my local club doesn't use spec ops much) Firelane clearing I have a hard time accepting anything less than the Seraph HMG or Linked HMG for breaking out of the DZ. At least in my meta, I'm expecting to see 5 man linked snipers, missiles, feuerbachs and rockets; TO or Sapper Snipers and they all lock down more of the board/DZ than I'd prefer. Are there other solutions you recommend trying? Coordinated Panzerfausts or using TOFOOS somehow? Defense I've been trying to fit in a five man link with a father knight missile launcher or 5 man Magisters for some defense. Both take up the core link and are at odds between deploying for defense or the ability to move and attack. I also tried the TO Sniper once and got a single surprise in before he was killed. Hac Taos, Swiss Guards and link teams tend to occupy my greatest concerns, though infiltrators are another presence in my Meta. Obvious lieutenant I think I just need to accept that my LT is obvious, going upfield with a linkteam and probably my active shooter? The Santiago LT ends up in almost all my lists. Fighting Camo I'm not sure if I need to fit in a visor or if I just try to brute force though it with the link team. Do you always fit in special tools for this? The most obvious choice to me is to slip Konstantinos into a Link, but at the cost of one or two orders. Putting it all together I've been trying a Core (magisters) and a Haris (Hospitillars) of HI with order monkeys to fill out. Ideally splitting evenly 12 - 14 orders if I can. 1) Am I falling into a trap of doubling down on HI? 2) I'd really like some examples of other list designs that are working for people and the general game plan of how they play them.