Questions- CC and Minelayer

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  1. JudgeDee7

    JudgeDee7 Member

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    Hello everyone,
    I have a two questions. First off, I am still a little unsure how CC works in Infinity, actually preventing me from using it in the handful of games I've played. When you assault an enemy, is their ARO a normal roll against you or a FtF against your CC roll? A short summary of an example CC confrontation would be really helpful.
    Secondly, does Minelayer allow you to deploy all 3 mines when you deploy your model? I don't think it works this way, but I can't find any specific rule stating you may only deploy a single mine with Minelayer.

    Thanks in advance for your replies.
     
  2. Arkhos94

    Arkhos94 Well-Known Member

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    If a trooper is attacked in CC he can ARO :
    Face to face roll unless berserk is used :
    - by a CC attack
    - by a BS attack with a weapon other than direct template/smoke/eclipse => Only possible if the reactive trooper had LoF against the active trooper before he reached base to base
    - by hacking the attacking trooper, if possible because the attacking trooper is of the appropriate type for the reacting trooper hacking device
    - by dodging/change facing
    Not a face to face roll :
    - by a BS attack with a direct template weapon => Only possible if the reactive trooper had LoF against the active trooper before he reached base to base
    - by a BS attack with a smoke/eclipse grenade => Only possible if the reactive trooper had LoF against the active trooper before he reached base to base
    - other specific ARO (putting down a mine, putting perimeter weapon in stand by mode...)

    Only a single mine. The rule is not fully clear but all example shows minelayer deploying only one mine
     
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  3. JudgeDee7

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    Thanks! And it’s my understanding that after the two models are locked in cc, they can only disengaging by dodging, correct?
    And is combat activated by an order? So if two models are locked in cc do they only hit each other if one of the two is activated by an order?
     
  4. Arkhos94

    Arkhos94 Well-Known Member

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    "Locked in CC" is a specific status called engaged : http://infinitythewiki.com/en/Engaged

    Once you are engaged you can only (as ARO or active skill) : CC Attack, Coup de Grâce, Dodge (and specific skill allowed in CC)

    As you said Dodge is the only skill that allows you to leave CC.

    Also, at the end of an order when you were engaged, if your opponent is in null/immobilized state, you can leave CC without using a specific skill.

    If a trooper "engaged" is activated by an order, he can CC/dodge/coup de grace and his opponent can do the same
     
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    Okay, that’s much clearer. Thank your help!
     
  6. JudgeDee7

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    Sorry, one last thing- does the surprise attack rule apply its -6 to an opponent BS attack ARO to a cc attack with the surprise attack skill?
     
  7. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Face to Face is defined as any action which "directly affects" the opposing model or using a skill that specify it is a Face to Face - provided the action requires a roll.

    It doesn't matter what the action is, it doesn't matter if the action is an attack, it doesn't matter whether it is the first or the second skill, it doesn't if it feels like the action takes place a bit later than the other, nor does it matter where in the movement path either action is targeting.

    All that matters is if you are directly affecting the opponent or using an effect which specifies that it becomes a Face to Face under specific conditions (e.g. Dodge versus a CC Attack or when a Smoke template blocks LOF of a BS Attack)

    Surprise Attack applies a -6 MOD to your opponent's Face to Face roll. If your opponent uses an action which produces a Face to Face roll (e.g. BS Attack (with your trooper as main target if Impact Template is used), Dodge, or Hacking Attack) then they get a -6 MOD. If they use an action that produces Normal rolls (e.g. Impact Template with a different Active trooper as main target or Berserk CC Attack) they do not get this MOD.

    TLDR: Yes, the BS Attack will have -6 MOD and it will be a Face to Face.
     
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    Thanks for your help everyone!
     
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