QK: Competitive now?

That reinforcement Azra'ils are spicy. Do we know why the Reinforcement Korsan is 14 points versus the regular one? If it is 13, we could actually fit two haris in the Reinforcement:


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SEKBAN REINF. (Specialist Operative) AP Rifle, Light Shotgun / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 24)
KORSAN REINF. Chain Rifle(+2B) / Heavy Pistol, Shock CC Weapon. (0 | 14)
HAFZA REINF. Rifle, Light Shotgun / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 15)
KORSAN REINF. Chain Rifle(+2B) / Heavy Pistol, Shock CC Weapon. (0 | 14)
SEKBAN REINF. Heavy Rocket Launcher, Chain-colt(+1B) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 21)
RAFIQ REMOTE REINF. Rifle, Light Shotgun, Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 14)
1.5 SWC | 102 Points
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Imho QK is still not competitive as the sectorial still lacks the good cheap stuff that is able to trade itself against opponents hard hitters.
Korsans in a Kaplan link is a joke, Sekbans being the sole source of Haris in REF is also a joke
New Al'Hawwa Profiles are cool. REF Azra'il profiles should be available in the normal list, too.

 

I think that's exactly why. Having a guy with burst 3 chain in midfield, who can link, is really nice, even for 1 more point ;)
I'm also intrigued by the news, but mostly by AzRa'ils - I showed an idea for shotgun Azzie few years ago, finally that Fatty can be real :D


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Yes. And that YuanYuan is better than the Korsan as a solo piece (Smoke, AD/Parachutist, Booty, impetious order).

The Burkut is also a very good addition to QK: Engineer, Mimetism (-3), NWI, Shock immune, Wildcard, ARM 3, HRL and LRL profiles - profiles like this one is what I miss in QK.

 

Azrail with shotgun was more exciting to me first but b4 (b5 linked) AP spitfire could be extremely nasty. With all the templates possible in reinforcements, maybe starting further away with a longer range gun could be better than trading templates and risking the big guy.

 

The reinforcement Azra'il is unfortunately not available to Haris, so B4 spitfire (B3 heavy shotgun) is the best we can get.

Im interested in trying an Azra'il/Burtuk duo, since I feel Azra'il have been historically vulnerable to hacking due to their low BTS.

 

Ah, right you are - but duo with friend al'Hawwa also sounds good to alleviate hacking attacks.

 

I used to try to do that by including Leila in my Azra'il Haris, but since reset and hacking are different Aros it breaks the link which sucks. And that assumes your opponent isn't skilled enough to drop their pitcher so it only covers the Azra'il. The Azra'il - Burtuk duo appeals to me since they can both declare reset, the Burtuk has decent enough BTS to have a chance to resist the attack, and if the Azra'il fails the Burtuk can remove the state(s).

 

The problem is if you take the azzy and burtuk, you only have room for 2 other orders. Since reinforcements are almost invariably dropping in t3, that's a total of 4 orders to spend on the azzy for the whole game. You can't really spare any of them on the burtuk.

 

So I learned that the hard way in my first reinforcements game. I took the spitfire Azra'il, Hakim SMG, Korsan, and Burtuk because I wanted to try it all but I should have taken one new profile and a bunch of Hafzas. Oh well. The lack of Tac Aware or impetuous doesn't help order economy; I was up against an NA2 list with like 8 orders between 2 impetuous Diggers and Miranda Ashcroft's Tac Aware.

I have since fielded the Burtuk in QK and he managed to turn off a Marut with his eMarat.

 

Amazing enough, but one more trooper then allowed. Fat yuan-yuan, when?!

 

I played my first Reinforcements game with QK against NA2 Dahshat (Supplies, 350pts).

My list:

GROUP 1 7 / 3 / 2
BURTUK Submachine Gun, Light Rocket Launcher(+1 Dam), D-Charges / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 31)
DJANBAZAN Heavy Machine Gun / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 34)
ODALISQUE Submachine Gun, Flash Pulse(+1B), Nanopulser(+1B) / MULTI Pistol, PARA CC Weapon. (0 | 23)
FANOUS REMOTE Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 7)
HAWWA (Hacker, Killer Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 24)
HAWWA (Minelayer) Submachine Gun, Grenade Launcher, Shock Mines / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 21)
HAWWA (Forward Observer) Boarding Shotgun, Flash Pulse, D-Charges / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 22)
BASHI BAZOUK (Specialist Operative) Rifle, Light Shotgun / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 15)
YUAN YUAN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 8)
YUAN YUAN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 8)

GROUP 2 3
GHULAM (Lieutenant [+1 Command Token]) Rifle, Light Shotgun / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 15)
GHULAM (Commlink [+2], Specialist Operative) Rifle, Light Shotgun / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 21)
GHULAM Heavy Machine Gun / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1 | 20)

GROUP 3 4
AZRA'IL REINF. Heavy Shotgun(+1B) / Heavy Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 33)
BURTUK REINF. Submachine Gun, Heavy Flamethrower(+1B), AP Mines, D-Charges / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 27)
SEKBAN REINF. (Specialist Operative) AP Rifle, Light Shotgun / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 24)
RAFIQ REMOTE REINF. Rifle, Light Shotgun, Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 14)

4 SWC | 347 Points



Djan-Haris (Djanbazan+Burkut+Odalisque) used a YuanYuan for Smoke Coverage and aggressive advance, Ghulam Core for HMG ARO, Al'Hawwas and Bashi were there to get supplies Boxes. REF had Sekban+Burkut+Rafiq Haris.

Dahshat had something like Maggie, Brawler core with MSV2 Sniper, Ghulam Haris for Orders, Valerya and a Hunzakut. His REF were like Samsa and some Brawlers, a Digger and a Monstrucker.

- Burkut are phenomenal. The HFT+1B-Burkut torched my opponents Box-carrying models, winning the game. These guy are definitely an awesome addition to QK. Sadly they just count as Wildcards (Sekban) - so putting them in a fireteam will prevent it from being pure
- Azra'il HSG+1B killed Samsa and a Brawler with his 3 HSG templates (dying instantly to Samsa plasmagun-ARO), but this guy is terrifying when dropping as REF in midfield next to some enemy models
- getting another KHD with the new Al'Hawwa profile is also great. Setting up a Repeater network was expensive for QK - but now the infiltrating Al'Hawwa will let me counter enemy Hackers more effectively (and way cheaper)
- For me it was the first win with QK in 6 games. In the games before I tried to make Azra'il AP HMG Haris work but was not very successfull. Seems Smoke/MSV2 does suit me more. The Djan HMG was my MVP, taking out his MSV-Sniper Brawler twice (he had a Doc ) and several other models.
- I need to test the Korsan in REF in the next game - In QK I think sticking him to just Kaplans as fire team option is a bad place for him to be..

I will definitely keep on using Smoke/MSV2 with QK as it seems we have to use every of the few tricks QK offers.

 

@kesharq Did you end up deploying both Yuan Yuan in your own DZ? I'm having trouble deciding if I should keep them off the table for suicide runs or deploy them to support on foot.

 

I did half/half tried to deploy one via Combat Jump (I failed of course) and the other started im my DZ to provide a smoke screen for my Djan in turn 1

 

I had 2 more games with QK (w/o REF), using MSV2+Smoke (Djanbazan-Link) and Azra'ils as main attack pieces.

- Djanbazan HMG is a real killer in a link. Used him with a wild mix of Burkuts, Odalisques and Hafzas. MVP in both games
- Burkuts imho change QK from being outdated to being nearly competitive! Light Rocket Launcher is a great ARO piece in a link with Mim-3, Heavy Flame Thrower is a great corner guard - and the ability to shoot AP ammo with their SMGs to counter TAGs & HI is also very usefull.
- Azra'il AP HMG is no ARO piece as far as I play it. Everytime I used him like this, he died.
- Hacking game: I do not have (and need) one as ist is mostly just Burkuts and Azzie as hackable targets in my list. Al'Hawwa KHD is a bit more expensive than Leila - but infiltration, Camo state and Stealth make it very good for frying enemy Hackers or accessing enemy Repeater network.

just my 2 cents

 

So looking forward to the Reinforcements box to update my collection for QK.

 

Any actual artwork, concepts, renders?

 

I seem to remember them saying that the Haqq and Ariadna reinforcements were the last on the schedule. With Nomads/CA coming in December/January we're probably looking at O-12/Aleph in February/April and Haqq/Ariadna in May/June. So Adepticon at the latest for previews.