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putting back on the training wheels....

Discussion in 'Tohaa' started by Romulas, Apr 18, 2019.

  1. Romulas

    Romulas Active Member

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    2nd game back with tohaa and second 10-0 pantsing i received... playing with MI and HI Monkeys has messed up my ability to triad....

    been playing with the kerail preceptors and been having fun getting the kitties into cc. first game (tic tac toe) got them into a IA list and managed to charge the cc monsters he had. got their duo into nwc but he managed to get the controller and the last kitty stopped attacking.... the rest of the force.... well if i could manage to roll a successful face to face i might have held on to some objectives...

    second game tonight (show of force) i just could not roll well enough. managed to keep cover and got a few shots to work, but lost tag early to an assault hacker and had to take the gorgos down to the pilot myself... a pain,.. had fun though managed to get a kittie in on the oyori (sp?, JSA tag) and chewed on its leg a bit.. but as per tradition was in retreat at the end of my second turn.

    hummm next game in the league is unmasking, any list/ combo suggestions to keep in mind? anything that will suppress shit dice rolling on my part also cant hurt...

    anyhoo here is what came to mind for the mission
    Unmasking?
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10 [​IMG]3
    HATAIL AELIS KEESAN Viral Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Flash Pulse, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 30)
    SAKIEL Viral Combi Rifle, Nimbus Plus Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 24)
    KAMAEL Paramedic (Medikit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14)
    KERAIL PRECEPTOR Submachine Gun, Smoke Grenades + 2 Surda SymbioBeasts / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 28)
    [​IMG] SURDA SYMBIOBEAST Pulzar / Viral CCW. (0 | 8)
    KOSUIL Engineer Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges, Panzerfaust / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 24)
    SUKEUL Lieutenant (Forward Observer) K1 Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0 | 32)
    MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW. (0 | 13)
    SAKIEL Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 23)
    MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW. (0 | 13)
    MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW. (0 | 13)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]5 [​IMG]1
    TAAGMA Breaker Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
    CHAKSA AUXILIAR (Baggage, Sensor) Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 10)
    CHAKSA AUXILIAR (Baggage, Sensor) Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 10)
    KERAIL PRECEPTOR Submachine Gun, Smoke Grenades + 2 Surda SymbioBeasts / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 28)
    [​IMG] SURDA SYMBIOBEAST Pulzar / Viral CCW. (0 | 8)
    KRAKOT RENEGADE 2 Submachine Guns, Chest Mine / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon. (0 | 17)

    2 SWC | 295 Points

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    terrain is a bit of a toss up in the group. if i host its usually a tighter urban area with higher buildings/los blockage in the center... some tables are really open or have ungodly dmz across the center...

    per usual, kicks in the right direction appreciated....
    -Rom
     
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  2. meikyoushisui

    meikyoushisui Competitor for Most Ignored User

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    You need to do a better job at filling out your SWC. You have one gun in that entire list that shoots more than 16 inches. Add a Sukeul, or Ectros, or Gao-Rael, or Nikoul, etc. You will find it very hard to win with Tohaa's sub-par BS without decent guns.
     
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  3. ChoTimberwolf

    ChoTimberwolf Artichoken Friend

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    Also if you have 5 points left take a Diplomat you can use command tokens to make her oders regular, or use her cause she is a specialist. Better than wasting 5 points ;)
    Sukeul HMG is great, Nikoul or Muet through Stratuscloud is pretty decent to take out TRs and Gao with kerail smoke, so if you got kerail mayve try gao spitfire
     
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  4. Insane Cheese

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    For 5 points she's a bargain. Totally worth finding 2 points if you can cram a Warcor in.

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  5. OrderMonkey

    OrderMonkey Well-Known Member

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    I see no clipsos in your list. Granted, the whole point about Clipsos Infiltrators is not beeing seen in the first place, that shouldn't stop you from taking them with you, though. Neither should the exclusion zone.
    Running one or even two Clipsos FO is the easiest way to unmask the targets. If you deploy them as far forward as you are allowed to, you can unmask your first target in as little as 2 orders and after that, the clipsos can provide a very obnoxious speed bump for your opponent.

    Furthermore, Keesan seems like a liability to me here. You do not need a hacker for this mission, so why take an overcosted one with you. For just as many points, you can get a Draal Saboteur. He has a wound more, a dazer or mines and is another specialist who can get to a console in just two orders with FD2. Though you might want to move him more cautiously than the Clipsos.
    Also, a Triad with Draal, Gao-Rael Spitfire and a Makaul is as deadly as it can get in Tohaa, when it comes to shooting. Stratocloud is just broken if used right.

    That said, I am generally building my lists different and I do not intend to change anyone's style of play whithout their consent.
     
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  6. RobertShepherd

    RobertShepherd Antipodean midwit

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    Hi @Romulas I think you're on the right track but there's a lot of little costs in your list that you could trim down on to give yourself more orders and fighting power where it counts.

    For example;
    - the Kosiul engineer could be a cheaper Sakiel forward observer
    - there's no real value for a Kamael paramedic, it could be any cheaper, better link filler - or a Kaeltar! Take Kaeltars!
    - two Preceptors both loaded with cats is an expensive spend. While good, you could consider cutting them down to one cat each.
    - the Krakot could easily be the single SMG profile without a big drop in effectiveness

    If you think about how to win Unmasking, you need to do two things: very efficiently press buttons, and then eliminate key enemy targets. This is a pretty ideal scenario for the classic Triad setup of one gun, one specialist and one makaul. You're partway where but with some triads being just guns and makauls. Normally I focus heavily on melee and close range fighting which I think Tohaa has the luxury of more than almost any other faction, but for this scenario you wouldn't go wrong just playing it close to standard.
     
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  7. Ben Kenobi

    Ben Kenobi Well-Known Member

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    Wouldn't say that. He can revive a trooper with Symbiont Armor without the -3 penalty.

    Edit:
    And I take him often as Lt. too, cause I don't like the Rasail or better can't play him properly.
     
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  8. Ben Kenobi

    Ben Kenobi Well-Known Member

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    @Romulas
    - You have normal Smoke but no MSV-2. Change the Sakiel SF for a Gao Rael.
    - If you want a second CC monster, take a Igao
    - you have access to an Sukeul HMG. Use her
    - Hatail is only worth considering in HQ. Every thing else a Clipsos FO is better.
    - If you would have put a Symbiomate on your Kerail, perhaps the Beast had worked a little bit longer.
    - two Kerail are usually wasted, cause you will never have the order to bring them both into action.

    IMO, and sorry for that, your list seems weak and doesn't play the strength of Tohaa.
    I don't say you should take a Sukeul with HMG and Symbiomate with an Makaul, a defensive Triad with Gao Rael SR and a Sukeul ML, four Symbiomates or 3 Sukeul FO, but your list has neither a concept nor have you an idea what is the role of each unit.
    You have no roadblocks or ARO pieces to slow down your opponent. If you don't get the first turn, you are in real trouble.
     
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  9. melkiach

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    Put a Draal instead Aelis Keesan ^^!
     
  10. Arkhos94

    Arkhos94 Well-Known Member

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    Don't forget it's a list for unmasking. In this mission, the bonus to hacker specialist is huge. Everyone who spend 4-5 orders activating one console because of bad dices know how great it is to have 2 dice and a +3 bonus to activate them (because your specialist is a hacker)
     
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  11. RobertShepherd

    RobertShepherd Antipodean midwit

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    Oh, before I forget: Libertos are incredibly hot profiles and if you've got the SWC for the minelayer profile it is extremely worth your time as a defensive element.
     
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  12. Romulas

    Romulas Active Member

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    Thanks for the replys folks, the list was a quick put-together after reading the mission. Looks like going back to the 'standard triad' will be some good steps forward.

    I didn't include the clipsos or my favorite igaos due to the no infiltrator zones... But the draal/gao spitfire/makaul could be a neat include... Don't have the spiral set yet so wasn't really paying attention to the profiles, until the last White Noise.....

    Is the libertos the lizard dude from the last book?

    How have you been finding the changes to the mates? Seem like they still cause the opponent to use up an order anyway, but hilarious when I shrugged off a missile strike with a crap roll.

    The list concept was to play the mission, and kinda did the defensive triad to death a year ago. (Big reason I switched to Morat for a year) For the most part though, when I don't get the first turn I'm in trouble (see above regarding bad dice rolls, I skew all the stats). But I do find if you need a roadblock in tohaa, your in trouble anyway.
     
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  13. Romulas

    Romulas Active Member

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    took the fix list ideas and going to run with this as a go to list for a while, seems like it would to be able to handle most missions out there. learning some of the spiral tricks cant hurt either.....

    Fun and Gun
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10 [​IMG]4
    KERAIL PRECEPTOR Submachine Gun, Smoke Grenades + 1 Surda SymbioBeast / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 20)
    [​IMG] SURDA SYMBIOBEAST Pulzar / Viral CCW. (0 | 8)
    SAKIEL (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Nimbus Plus Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 19)
    SUKEUL Lieutenant (Forward Observer) K1 Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0 | 32)
    MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW. (0 | 13)
    SAKIEL Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 23)
    MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW. (0 | 13)
    MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW. (0 | 13)
    DRAAL (Minelayer) AP Marksman Rifle, D-Charges, Antipersonnel Mines / Viral Pistol, Knife. (1 | 40)
    GAO-RAEL Spitfire / Pistol, CCW. (1.5 | 33)
    MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW. (0 | 13)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]5 [​IMG]1 [​IMG]1
    TAAGMA Breaker Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
    CHAKSA AUXILIAR (Baggage, Sensor) Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 10)
    CHAKSA AUXILIAR (Baggage, Sensor) Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 10)
    KERAIL PRECEPTOR Submachine Gun, Smoke Grenades + 1 Surda SymbioBeast / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 20)
    [​IMG] SURDA SYMBIOBEAST Pulzar / Viral CCW. (0 | 8)
    KRAKOT RENEGADE Submachine Gun, Chest Mine / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 15)
    LIBERTO (Minelayer) Light Shotgun, Chain-colt, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 10)

    5 SWC | 300 Points

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    thanks again for the help,
    -Rom
     
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    RobertShepherd Antipodean midwit

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    I don't suppose I could convince you to put, like, one kaeltar specialist in there could I?
     
  15. Romulas

    Romulas Active Member

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    Not sure where she'd fit. (Maybe sakiel spitfire?) I dont mind playing without mates for a bit anyway. Can always change up after a few games. :)
     
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    ChoTimberwolf Artichoken Friend

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    While I understand wanting to play without mates the missing CoC could hurt, your Lt is not really hidden and with his K1 is one of your weapons against hight armor targets
     
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  17. borings

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    You could change the sakiel fo to a kaeltar coc, and the krakot in group 2 to a makaul. A lone makaul being impetuous will prolly serve about the same as the krakot, and the extra FO isnt as good as having CoC would be. Or you could change it to a kaauri smg, which would prolly be better overall. That would let you run a viral combi sakiel over the spitfire sakiel; the gao rael seems like yer attack piece, and a viral sakiel at least hides yer Lt. slightly better.
     
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