Potential SAA Tournament List

Really hard to say anything without a mission list. Also, I try to take 2 nagas in any list, they are 100% worth their cost.

 

Quick reactions:
Double Nagas is almost always a good place to start, especially in a high order count list, and I think the first list is missing long-range attack pieces. You never want to be a PanO player that can't contest the long firelanes.

In list 2, if the Guarda's not getting a full 10 Orders, it's probably worth asking if he should be in the list at all. Depends a bit on how important you think smoke will be, but ~50 points and 2 SWC for something you're not spending 10 Orders on could be tricky.

I think the Bagh Mari Haris can be a bit of a trap too, but I suppose that depends a bit on missions and your usual terrain layout.

Overall though, I like your unit selection a lot.

 

How is that tricky?

 

Good question. There's a few factors in my mind on this one:

• Acon loves its SWC. Even .5 SWC is precious, so a Haris team really has to deliver.
• If you're using the Haris primarily for the HMG, paying 40+ points and .5 SWC for +1 Burst might not be the best return on investment.
• If you're using the Haris for close-range combat, Bagh Mari are slow and really vulnerable to mines, direct templates, etc. Considering we have Nagas, Peacemakers, Montessas, Guardas... All sorts of good close-quarter troops... I'm reluctant to use the Haris for shotgunning and such.
• So either way, whether you're using the Haris as a heavy weapon team or a close range team, you're missing out a bit. I really like using lone Bagh Mari HMGs as discount Intruders (they're great this role.) And I like fielding the Core team, where you might have 2 or even 3 heavy weapons all laying the pain, and the remaining link members are giving +3 BS, +1 Burst, and also providing short and mid-range defense with Shotguns or Combis.

That's all. I think it's a great Haris, and can be used to good effect, but I feel like you end up paying points for profiles that never get used to full effect, and the Haris lacks the speed to effectively shift gears from long-range combat to short-range combat.

If something like Kamau end up getting a Haris, I'll be more inclined to use it because it addresses these concerns. The HMG is wonderfully cheap (1 SWC) so paying the .5 for the Haris member doesn't hurt, and the team can aggressively shift from long-range firepower to close-range attack because of 4-4 MOV.

I know there are players out there that like advancing with Medium Infantry, and find ways to overcome the 4-2. More power to them.

 

I believe in the original spoiler of the new Kamau profiles last summer, there was a Kamau Haris for +1pt and +0.5SWC over the basic Combi profile. Obviously it's not in Army for vanilla right now but it was in the profile list.

Shit gon be tight.

EDIT: Checked and yes, Kamau Haris in Varuna has the greenlight, currently. Although you still run into the small issue of "spending 45 points to give your HMG or HRL +1B".

What about a super defensive link with the sniper and HRL? Both of those really benefit from +1B in the reactive turn and the HRL can turn into a decent active turn shooter.

 

Good thoughts. As you say, 45 points to give a weapon +1 Burst is tough, so you probably just need to stay agile as far as finding the right opportunity to advance or push. A super defensive team is interesting... I have run a Bagh Mari Haris with double HMGs in the past... But then you just run the risk of having all your SWC wiped out by a Chain Rifle or Mine wielder who gets into the right spot.

 

Bagh MSRs come with the inbuilt solution to that problem - Minelayer! I think that SAA has the defensive tools needed to keep that kind of a team safe. We will see what Varuna brings, but I'll help put things back on SAA instead of derailing to Varuna further.

Defensive Bagh team feels a little strange, especially because it's 3.5SWC and I threw up a little in my throat typing that. If someone out there is playing some weird form of Acon that's not SWC starved, 1) Please tell me about it! and 2) try out the double Bagh snipers and see what they do.

 

what

 

And how to Bagh-Mari core? I still don't like the MSR (but SWC free minelayer is interesting) and paying 100+ points for a static link seems a bit too much. HMG is the only interesting heavy weapon there, but with 1.5 SWC can't really take multiples. Number2 is the budget version here (though still paying 2pts for Number2), Rao exchanges the LS bloat for assault pistol bloat, doesn't bring anything else, so there's not much point in bringing him.

Something like this maybe:
Shock Army of Acontecimento
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5
BAGH-MARI HMG / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 26)
BAGH-MARI Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 24)
BAGH-MARI (Number 2) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 19)
BAGH-MARI (Number 2) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 19)
BAGH-MARI (Number 2) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 19)

1.5 SWC | 107 Points

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Is there a point in putting the LT in the link? A ducking Regular is a bit obvious though.

They really could use some rocket launchers. Funny how the HRL is dirt cheap in points, but expensive in SWC and the LRL is the opposite. They are the same weapon though, one with HMG range, the other with Spitfire range.

 

The point of the 3-5 mission, 2 lists thing is that you can prepare for the missions, but can't tailor them precisely, since you have to consider each other mission. Dude is taking out the fun off it.

 

Do they post here? Get them in here.

 

When I do full Core, I always do two heavy weapons, and sometimes three. The goal is to create a really strong firebase that lets the rest of your light troops play forward. In the past I've taken 2x HMGs, 1x sniper, 2 boarding shotguns, Rao, a Regular LT and Clone (noone ever expects this) and then the rest is spent on REMs, Nagas, Peacemakers, Akalis, or anything else you want in order to establish midfield presence.

One nice trick too, if you buy 3x heavy weapons worth of Bagh Mari, is that you can deploy 2 heavy weapons, 2 shotguns Bagh Mari + Rao in one section of the table, let your opponent counter-deploy against that 5-man setup, and then place the last heavy weapon as your reserve, in a place where it can take advantage of how your opponent has deployed. Sometimes it's possible to catch hidden troops, or ruin your opponent's ARO plan.

It works pretty well. The MULTI sniper is a very good weapon in the hands of a Mimetic, MSV1 link team... And the mines are very good on defense, as mentioned.

 

Most of the time I avoid Scylla, as she... well, just can't fit her to not sacrifice anything else. Repeater HFT bots and all, I know, but still...

Shock Army of Acontecimento
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GROUP 1 10
REGULAR (Sapper) MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 22)
REGULAR Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
REGULAR Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
REGULAR Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
REGULAR Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 16)
PEACEMAKER Heavy Shotgun + AUXBOT_3 / Electric Pulse. (0 | 21)
AUXBOT_3 Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (- | 4)
NAGA (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 28)
NAGA Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 30)
AKAL COMMANDO Spitfire / Pistol, E/M CCW. (1.5 | 28)
TRAUMA-DOC Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14)
PALBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
PALBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)

GROUP 2 6 1
FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
BAGH-MARI (Fireteam: Haris) Combi Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 23)
BAGH-MARI (Number 2) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 19)
BAGH-MARI HMG / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 26)
MACHINIST Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15)
PALBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
WARCOR (Aerocam) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 3)

6 SWC | 300 Points

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This one's built to overcome mid-table Nomad spam with LOTS of Morans and Zero minelayers (and soon it will also say hello to Hecklers with jammers). Peacemaker works as a mine plough - just goes ahead and collects all the koalas, mines and hacking AROs, clearing a path for a Sikh that walks on from an edge, or for Bagh Maris to push ahead and destroy. Naga KHD for a chance to kill an Intruder through Moran's repeater after koalas hug the Peacemaker XD

 

Haris combi dude is a tax, but BSG is great, can do D-Charges classified and wrecks face if someone gets into your DZ. And in desperate situations you can even send the Haris-man to defuse mines, and Duo will still be there to advance.

 

Just keep in mind that you need someone with actual Duo skill to do that. Or haris or core, or you need to take care that it’s not your team leader that eats the mines.

 

Last time I checked it was like this:

• A Fireteam: Haris is composed of two or three members.

So it seems that number 2 on a bsg guy should work. Haris is cancelled when reduced to less than two