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Played my first game with Haq and would like some advice?

Discussion in 'Haqqislam' started by Snarf, May 1, 2018.

  1. Snarf

    Snarf Member

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    Hi guys I managed to play a game using this list last week.

    We were playing captur and protect. The hafza became a Naffatûn to do hide the lieutenant. Made the other the data tracker.

    I played against vanilla JSA.

    The killer hacking device was useless in this particular match up but it think Layla will be good. What the biggest issue was though is a lack of combatting MSV shenanigans with smoke.

    I think I could do with something to help alpha strike also. Other than that loved playing this.

    Any ideas appreciated

    [​IMG] Haqqislam──────────────────────────────────────────────────GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]9 [​IMG]1 [​IMG] BARID Hacker (Assault Hacking Device UPGRADE: Icebreaker) Rifle + Pitcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 19)[​IMG] HUNZAKUT (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Rifle + Light Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 18)[​IMG] FASID HMG + (Smoke and Normal) Light Grenade Launcher, Antipersonnel Mines / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (2 | 53)[​IMG] FANOUS REMOTE Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)[​IMG] NAJJARUN Engineer Rifle + Light Shotgun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 17)[​IMG] JANISSARY Akbar Doctor (MediKit) AP Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 41)[​IMG] ASAWIRA Spitfire, Nanopulser / Pistol, Shock CCW. (2 | 43)[​IMG] LEILA SHARIF Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Shock Marksman Rifle, D-Charges / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0 | 20)[​IMG] HAFZA Lieutenant Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)[​IMG] NAFFATÛN Rifle + Light Flamethrower, Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)[​IMG] NASMAT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]1 [​IMG]2 [​IMG]2[​IMG] MUTTAWI
     
  2. oldGregg

    oldGregg Well-Known Member

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    We can't see the whole list. That happens to me sometimes... Try posting it again?
     
  3. Snarf

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    [​IMG] Haqqislam
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]9 [​IMG]1
    [​IMG] BARID Hacker (Assault Hacking Device UPGRADE: Icebreaker) Rifle + Pitcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 19)
    [​IMG] HUNZAKUT (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Rifle + Light Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 18)
    [​IMG] FASID HMG + (Smoke and Normal) Light Grenade Launcher, Antipersonnel Mines / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (2 | 53)
    [​IMG] FANOUS REMOTE Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    [​IMG] NAJJARUN Engineer Rifle + Light Shotgun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 17)
    [​IMG] JANISSARY Akbar Doctor (MediKit) AP Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 41)
    [​IMG] ASAWIRA Spitfire, Nanopulser / Pistol, Shock CCW. (2 | 43)
    [​IMG] LEILA SHARIF Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Shock Marksman Rifle, D-Charges / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0 | 20)
    [​IMG] HAFZA Lieutenant Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
    [​IMG] NAFFATÛN Rifle + Light Flamethrower, Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)
    [​IMG] NASMAT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]1 [​IMG]2 [​IMG]2
    [​IMG] MUTTAWI'AH Chain Rifle, E/Marat, Jammer, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
    [​IMG] MUTTAWI'AH Chain Rifle, E/Marat, Jammer, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
    [​IMG] ÁYYĀR (Surprise Shot L2) Shock Marksman Rifle / 2 Viral Pistols, CCW, Knife. (0 | 39)

    4.5 SWC | 299 Points

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  4. Papa Bey

    Papa Bey Clueless Wonder. Still.

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    Idle random thoughts...

    If you use your Hafza to holo itself into anything that can't be a lieutenant then you've already played 'hide the lieutenant' because the only possible option is wrong. The Ayyar also offers a surprise in that it _can_ look like something lieutenant-y and so long as you feel you can survive an attempt to kill it, may offer a bit more than they expected.

    Group 1 looks like it has a few too many guys trying to get work done, which means some idle. Do you intend to have such a deep bench for back-up?
     
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  5. Snarf

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    unfortunatlyi dont make armour saves very well so having heavys is somthing that i like the idea of. hence alot of getting work done guys with redundancy. I played the same mission again last night and trying to get up the field and take on HMG bots and camo tokens left me playing a protect game and ending up nearly in retreat. im sure i will find ways even with this list but it feels like i need a few tricks, the killer hacker has done nothing. assult hacker has been a good speed bump with pitchers out early.

    Muts go out turn one speed bump and are dead buy turn two.

    We are going to be playing tic tac toe next. I would like to keep it to minis i have as i have spent £150 on stuff so far. lol and i being new to it would not like many more orders.

    Heavys are essential as I like the minis :)

    i have, red veil box, beyond red veil, muts box, janibox, naffuten box, hunzcutie, asawira, ayar, naffat, support box, remote box, fat yuan yuan, and ltd druse hacker, hasasin baris, and layla
     
  6. HardDisk

    HardDisk Well-Known Member

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    How many points?
     
  7. Snarf

    Snarf Member

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    300pts, with aquisition, tictactoeand capture and protect. just thinking to take 1 list to save me confusion. i can take a specops to but im thinking not at the moment
     
  8. theGricks

    theGricks Well-Known Member

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    I would probably drop the Asawira for an HMG Djanbazan to get some MSV2 to utilize that smoke. Changing the Hafza, and Najaruun to 3 Ghulam will also get you an extra order. While hide the LT is a fun game, its not usually worth the effort. If you take 3 normal ghulam one can be a LT and anyone of them can be the LT so effectively playing hide the LT. This will let you focus more on the Akbar Doc, Fasid, and Ayyar. Having 4 HI in any list would be difficult to juggle.

    [​IMG] Haqqislam
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]9 [​IMG]1
    [​IMG] BARID Hacker (Assault Hacking Device UPGRADE: Icebreaker) Rifle + Pitcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 19)
    [​IMG] HUNZAKUT (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Rifle + Light Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 18)
    [​IMG] FASID HMG + (Smoke and Normal) Light Grenade Launcher, Antipersonnel Mines / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (2 | 53)
    [​IMG] FANOUS REMOTE Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    [​IMG] JANISSARY Akbar Doctor (MediKit) AP Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 41)
    [​IMG] NASMAT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    [​IMG] LEILA SHARIF Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Shock Marksman Rifle, D-Charges / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0 | 20)
    [​IMG] NAFFATÛN Rifle + Light Flamethrower, Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)
    [​IMG] GHULAM Lieutenant Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)
    [​IMG] DJANBAZAN HMG / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 35)
    [​IMG] GHULAM Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]2 [​IMG]3 [​IMG]3
    [​IMG] MUTTAWI'AH Chain Rifle, E/Marat, Jammer, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
    [​IMG] MUTTAWI'AH Chain Rifle, E/Marat, Jammer, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
    [​IMG] MUTTAWI'AH Chain Rifle, E/Marat, Jammer, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
    [​IMG] ÁYYĀR (Surprise Shot L2) Shock Marksman Rifle / 2 Viral Pistols, CCW, Knife. (0 | 39)
    [​IMG] GHULAM Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)

    4 SWC | 299 Points

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    Haqqislam relies on each individual doing a certain job. You don't get Rambo's in Haqq (even Tariq requires support from other units). The HI are fun but require support from the smaller individuals. Haqq HI will not prevail in a toe to toe fight against Yu Jing or Pano HI, they are simply better. Haqq HI are support pieces (Al Fasid) or specific tools (Ayyar).
     
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  9. Sojourne

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    Very right. Vanilla Haqq’s strength is kinda waffly, the web of support our units give to each other instead of strong stats and traits on specific units. Extends to our HI and even our TAG.
     
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  10. Snarf

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    Ok great stuff, i will get some more minis put together and have ag with the above list. coming from playing tohaa and doing that badly this is a whole new game almost. the main reason to keeping it down in order size is playing to a speed at the moment. introducing more and more orders not knowing what anything realydoes just takes more time. dont want to be slow playing anyone at a first tournament with Haqq.
     
  11. agustaaquila

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    My Haqq list tend to be 15 - 19 orders, of which I can play faster than some 10 order lists as I have been playing Haqq lists that large for longer than I care to admit. I applaud you on recognizing your abilities and choosing to make a better play experience by only playing an amount or orders that is reasonable for you to play in a reasonable time.

    From my experience, I like to use as many infiltrating specialist as possible. I love my al hawwa and never leave home without it (although if you are concerned about minis and don't have one than the exclusion can be understandable). Also Halqua are a great way to start with specialist up the board which is critical for tic tack toe.

    Good luck on your next round.
     
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