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Patsy Garnett & SPECIAL Fireteam

Discussion in 'Rules' started by Cannon Fodder, Oct 28, 2020.

  1. Cannon Fodder

    Cannon Fodder Well-Known Member

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    Splitting hairs here, but this came up in our LGS.

    Can Patsy Garnet host a Fireteam Duo\Haris and have a Clipper join her? (in varuna)

    On the sectoral chart her fireteam rules say SPECIAL, and someone said since it does not say Harris or DUO she can't host a fireteam since she does not count as a valid fireteam trooper.
     
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  2. tox

    tox SorriBarai
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    Patsy Garnet is listed as "SPECIAL" in the Fireteam table.
    She is a full wildcard, with Fireteam: Duo and Fireteam: Haris.

    She can JOIN any Duo or Haris (Kamau, Orc, Squalo) but all of those troops now have the relevant skill native in their profiles.
    She cannot form an invalid Fireteam
    A Fireteam: Duo Orc + Clipper (Wildcard) is valid.
    A Fireteam: Duo Patsy (wildcard) + Clipper (wildcard) is not valid because Patsy DO NOT count as an Orc.
     
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  3. Cannon Fodder

    Cannon Fodder Well-Known Member

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    Is there any feasible way to use Patys Haris ability WITHOUT a Kamau or Orc (which have the skill already)?

    This was the main discussion point for us. Being Wildcard with both Duo & Harris seems redundant then.
     
  4. tox

    tox SorriBarai
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    If she is missing a note "Count as", yes. If not, nope...
    Summoning @Koni and @HellLois
     
  5. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    There's a couple of Fireteam alterations that are sus...

    Patsy got changed in N3 to also count as an Orc specifically because she has Haris and Duo and can't use them unless she counts as an Orc, when they introduced/clarified the restrictions on Fireteams. I don't see in the Annex those clarifications, makes me suspect that those restrictions no longer exists - but it's possible that she just won't be able to use her Fireteam skills until they publish the new Fireteam rules.
     
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  6. Vandroiy

    Vandroiy Well-Known Member
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    Same problem happens with Kornak. Wildcard with haris skill. it's a good idea to clarify what fireteam they can form with that skill.
     
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  7. Cannon Fodder

    Cannon Fodder Well-Known Member

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    Found another issues with this for Tohaa. The Fireteam list is missing the word Triad

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    Also eth Longarms
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  8. tox

    tox SorriBarai
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    What's wrong there?
    Kriigel can form a Special Fireteam Triad
    Kriigel has Fireteam Triad in his profile, the special Fireteam is 1 Kriigel + 2 Reex. Completely valid rulewise...

    Chaska DOES NOT have the option to form a Fireteam despite having the skills Duo and Haris. To create a Fireteam you need both the relevant skill and the entry in the Sectorial Table. Having only the skill in not enough. There are plenty of profiles in the same situation.
     
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  9. Delta57Dash

    Delta57Dash Well-Known Member

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    Also a good thing to note is that Tohaa is a vanilla faction, NOT a sectorial, so you can't form any Fireteams other than Triads anyways.