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Our doge just got tiny price hike and a huge buff.

Discussion in 'Ariadna' started by Nuada Airgetlam, Mar 27, 2019.

  1. Nuada Airgetlam

    Nuada Airgetlam Well-Known Member

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    They are completely immune to ALL ammo effects aside from Viral for the price of costing 2 points more (a mere 5% increase). They are Vulnerable: Viral and Total Immune.
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  2. Nuada Airgetlam

    Nuada Airgetlam Well-Known Member

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    In other news, thanks to Berserk McMurder hits at mere CC32 (MA3 +3, Berserk +6, CC23, so any roll 8+ is a crit), for the price of Normal roll (enemy strikes unopposed). If something doesn't have Viral CCW and absolutely has to die like yesterday, it's awesome. Also, Berserk gives him access to Assault :3
     
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  3. Brokenwolf

    Brokenwolf Well-Known Member

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    I love that a werewolf cares not for your puny flashpulse!
     
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  4. colbrook

    colbrook Black Fryer

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    Bear in mind they are not immune to Adhesive ammo, or Comms Attacks such as Jammer. E/M will also cause a wound if you choose to use TI against it and fail the ARM roll.

    Completely ignoring Stun and Flash is verrrry cool though
     
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  5. Stiopa

    Stiopa Trust The Fuckhead
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    True, but in many circumstances getting a wound is actually preferable to getting Isolated. And they have higher ARM than BTS, too.
     
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  6. colbrook

    colbrook Black Fryer

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    Oh yeah, totally worth the risk in a lot of cases.
     
  7. Nuada Airgetlam

    Nuada Airgetlam Well-Known Member

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    Also, you can choose whether you use ARM or BTS. So a Devil Dog can take a hit from some BTS ammo, ignore special rules and use ARM 4 to pass the test.
     
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  8. Kreslack

    Kreslack See you Space Cowboy...

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    For the price hike they got. Not worth it. Of all the exotic ammo types you get shot with, viral is one of the most common. And they got a weakness to that (the only TI units that got any weaknesses btw, which is bullshit.) Everyone else got way more benefits and not as steep of a hike and again no weaknesses.

    This is not the change the doggo units needed.
     
  9. colbrook

    colbrook Black Fryer

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    I disagree, Flash is. War Cors, messenger bots, and FOs are all very common ARO pieces and being able to completely ignore them is well worth the points.
     
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  10. Kreslack

    Kreslack See you Space Cowboy...

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    I keep hearing this. (And largely agree they're are good aro pieces) but have yet to play a game against anyone who utilizes them.

    I've usually been greatly let down by them when I've tried to use them myself. (Not that I haven't stopped trying)
     
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    Keep trying. A 24-inch rangeband is pretty great for something so disposable, and a Flash Pulse hit will stop an alpha strike list dead in its tracks, leaving them scrambling to hide the stunned and vulnerable trooper. Against low order counts, it's better than putting a wound on, and I've had a Warcor crit an Asura Spitfire LT two turns in a row, basically winning that game by himself. An Extremely Impetuous troop able to ignore Warcors, Flash Bots and Electric Pulse entirely is in a good place.

    As someone who ordered a box of Loup-Garou that arrived today, I am happy that they can still do their job. I am nevertheless mildly ticked off that they can't do a damned thing to any other, non-Ariadnan Total Immunity user in the game with their rifles- though they are tied with basically only Sforza for anti-immunity power, since they have Adhesive Launchers on some profiles.
     
  12. Barrogh

    Barrogh Well-Known Member

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    You can't be let down by warcors unless you place them somewhere noone has any business.
    Even absorbing 1/2 of an order that will be spent to shoot it for 3 pts is a good deal.

    Fun fact: flash pulse is not Non-Lethal.
     
  13. Kreslack

    Kreslack See you Space Cowboy...

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    But the stun/flash ammunition is going to be changed to non leathal across the board asap. Been said on the main daedalus falls page in the news forum
     
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  14. Arkhos94

    Arkhos94 Well-Known Member

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    Yes it is (http://infinitythewiki.com/en/Flash_Pulse) :
    Flash pulse.png

    Yes they are. ADHL are non lethal (http://infinitythewiki.com/en/Adhesive_Launcher_(ADHL)) and so are Akrylat Canon (http://infinitythewiki.com/en/Akrylat-Kanone) and so are madtrap

    By the way, all stun weapon (stun grenade, stun pistol, multi stun) are also classified as non lethal
     
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  15. Barrogh

    Barrogh Well-Known Member

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    But they don't cause saves, so TI never activates in the first place. See new examples.

    Nice catch. They don't have that listed in the Army.
     
  16. tox

    tox SorriBarai
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    http://infinitythewiki.com/en/Immunity
    • If affected by a weapon or Ammunition with the Non-Lethal Trait (see Infinity N3) that forces an ARM or BTS Roll, owners of Total Immunity won't suffer its effects, so they won't make the ARM or BTS Roll, nor any corresponding Guts Roll.
    Adhesive do not causes ARM or BTS rolls, so Total Immunity is bypassed.
    It's the same with Electric Pulse (electrified fences still keep the dogs at bay!)
     
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  17. Arkhos94

    Arkhos94 Well-Known Member

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    I missed the part that says an ARM/BTS roll is needed for total immunity to kick in, thanks @tox
     
  18. tox

    tox SorriBarai
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    We had the same problem yesterday for Electric Pulse! We had to cross check both the skills to be sure.
     
  19. emperorsaistone

    emperorsaistone Well-Known Member

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    Its a huge buff imho...I usually stopped them with Flash pulses, E-Maulers or E-Marats. Beeing able to ignore Flash Pulses is huge, because you can just Move, Move or take care of another Aro. And E-Stuff only costs a wound, against which you have far better save now, because you dont have to roll against BTS.
     
  20. Jandrus

    Jandrus We're naught but humble pirates!

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    We will see on the board what actually happens. But this increase in cost will make a bit more dificult to put them on the list since you will be forced to choose wisely options, specially with dog faces. ou will be forced to choose your options