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[Official Announcement] New plastic resin miniatures

Discussion in 'News' started by Koni, Feb 28, 2023.

  1. chromedog

    chromedog Less than significant minion

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    Nothing I've seen on it says that it needs anything.

    I still give mine a wash - but it's usually to get rid of any stray sanding dust from the mould line removal. It takes primer just fine.
     
  2. Daireann

    Daireann Well-Known Member

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    Less durable than metal is main reason I would not buy it.

    Not long time ago I bought some sets of archon studios miniatures, that was mentioned here, and if CB would use this quality of plastic - I would be fine. (Even due too economy terrible situation the prices for a big and good set of them was lower than Action pack of infinity. (I bought set of 62 miniatures) So, may be it could be possible to make digger boxes at least. But I am not expert here, how prices are working for sure...)

    For now I am still negative to things with resin in the name. Because of instability and fragility. I don’t like, how easy it is bending while heated. And I got no info about temperatures it becomes unstable. Yet.
     
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  3. psychoticstorm

    psychoticstorm Aleph's rogue child
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    Siocast is unaffected by temperatures to be honest, I have not tested this one in extremes, but "cold" temperatures are coming to an end soon here so I can test it.
     
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  4. Daireann

    Daireann Well-Known Member

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    Would be much appreciated. But I am more worried for hot weather.
    Anyway, some cold is interesting. Our winter and summer are - 35/+35 (celsium) or more sometime. During winter they would be at home for sure, but +35 or higher... I just dont want to touch miniature and see it deformed a little.

    But I doubt, I would use it anyway. Siocast for sure. New resin the same way. But I really wantbthem. To be good T-T
     
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  5. psychoticstorm

    psychoticstorm Aleph's rogue child
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    Siocast has endured been intentionally left (and then forgotten) on the hot summer sun on a metal table in the peak hours of the midday, so I am confident it can seriously resist heat, I know it has also been baked, but since I was not the one doing that test I cannot give more info than that.
     
  6. Errhile

    Errhile A traveller on the Silk Road

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    From what @Muad'dib told us quite a while ago, Siocast is, from a chemical point of view, some variant of nylon. As such, there's some variation on the temperatures in which this kind of materials degrade. I don't recal the specifics, but it was in the realm of what you'd need, at the very least, a good oven to reach. Maybe even a furnace.

    Point is, if the temperature outside gets to the point where it can harm Siocast models, we'd have more pressing matters than the state of our models.
     
  7. UpirLihi

    UpirLihi Well-Known Member

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    I got a siocast penitent. Two mangled parts, which CB replaced (in record time!!!) then a breakage from pretty much just holding a third part. So this gave me the opportunity to test the material with few solvents and a bit of temperature. Long story short - ethanol, acetone, and a mixture of ethyl acetate and butyl acetate all seemingly had no effect on siocast. Isopropanol, if it had, had quite minimal one, making it a bit softer (which it already is, quite a lot). That last part surprised me, the others - not so much. Heat to about 55 C, for 12+ hours didn't seem to have any effect either.

    So when it comes to temperature and chemical stability - I'm pretty happy with siocast. Now, its detail quality and mechanical properties are a whole different topic.
     
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  8. Muad'dib

    Muad'dib Well-Known Member

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    @Koni Any update on the actual material composition on these new models? It's been a few weeks since we asked.

    This is correct, with most nylon grades you would need to heat above 80C to observe any change in stiffness and even then it won't be a significant change until you hit close to 200C
     
  9. Time Bandit

    Time Bandit Vulnerability (Total)

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    I'm still holding out hope that siocast will be retired as a CB model material. We're quite a few models into its use now, and I'm still seeing mould lines in terible places, and unconvincing detail. I'm sorry, I just don't think the material can hold a candle to metal. These newer plastic resin minis, on the other hand, seem to be of a really decent quality, from the few I've seen up close. Fingers crossed that CB migrates to this superior material instead, and writes off its losses in siocast.
     
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  10. Arkhos94

    Arkhos94 Well-Known Member

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    I like siocast, mostly because it make TAG light and easy to transport with magnet, but I hate how fragile it is

    I received my Lizard last week and the arm with the gun was broken in 4 pieces (front of the gun, back of the gun, arm and munition). I was able to rebuild it using some greenstuff/liquid greenstuff to fill the small gap so I did not ask for a replacement but it could easily become an issue if we get more mini in this material
     
  11. Shinobi

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    When is Infinity making the switch to the material used to make the new Wrecker TAG? Siocast is a joke and it's beyond time to retire it. I've never gotten so many miscasts, defects and broken pieces on models as I have with Infinity Siocast. Every single model I have purchased made with Siocast has at least one major miscast that ruined details and / or broken pieces that needed replacement. Even the TAG Raid models had a better quality material than siocast, seems like a no brainer...
     
  12. fari

    fari CRISTASOL, EL LIQUIDO DE LOS DIOSES

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    CB is making the new game full siocast, so, probably never
     
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  13. jherazob

    jherazob Well-Known Member

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    • Siocast is done in-house under full control of CB, after what's likely a considerable investment of money, time and effort due to the absurd rise of metal costs that directly threatens the company's existence
    • Unicool is done in Shenzen, under no real control of CB, and only rarely, for some commissioned pieces
    The no-brainer is not the one you think it is
     
  14. Space Ranger

    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    I do hope they keep using Unicool for some figures. I just got the new Wrecker and he was fantastic to put together.

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  15. Daireann

    Daireann Well-Known Member

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    How does it feel? Sadly, we can't judge about thin parts and their fragility in this miniature, but may be it is a good moment.
    And I hope, it is more plastic than resin.

    Additional details are grate!)
     
  16. Space Ranger

    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    Well not sure about breaks. I'm not going to test lol. But the scrap of mold lines was easy with a knife and sanded well too. The fits were very precise and went together easily. It takes well to super glue too.
     
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  17. Deus Kalsa

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    Are TAGs silently switched to Uni Cool?

    The Mechazoid and the Tik are both in Unicool Resin
    better than sio cast (the war crow models are in sio and am not happy the the casting quality)
     
  18. fari

    fari CRISTASOL, EL LIQUIDO DE LOS DIOSES

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    they have the siocast machines at full send with warcrow, no time for Infinity
     
  19. Lucian

    Lucian Catgirl Nation

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    How does it handle sanding/filing?
     
  20. Koin-Koin

    Koin-Koin Well-Known Member

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    Is that a head swap ?
    Looks like an autobot/decepticon or a gundam head to me (not judging).
     
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