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[Official Announcement] Injected Thermoplastic miniatures

Discussion in 'News' started by Koni, Jul 29, 2021.

  1. Torkijo

    Torkijo Active Member

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  2. Koni

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    Quoting myself in this thread before:

     
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    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    From what I can tell by this, the material is fairly durable and resistant, which also means it's difficult to glue properly. Pages I can find seem to recommend Plastruct Plastic Weld, and that the surfaces be properly prepared (even more so than with metal or other plastic)
     
  4. Dragonstriker

    Dragonstriker That wizard came from the moon.

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    So the blend of polymer resins and fillers doesn’t include polyvinyl chloride? Oooookay. Please provide the SDS.

    For the record, PVC is thermoplastic, not thermoset.
     
  5. Lucian

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    I'm sure anything beats a melted face Gata. Any plans to re-release Aristeia miniatures in this Thermoplastic?
     
  6. Dragonstriker

    Dragonstriker That wizard came from the moon.

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    They aren’t using metal molds.
     
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  7. Dragonstriker

    Dragonstriker That wizard came from the moon.

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    Um, no.
    Solvent based cements (“plastic glue”) soften the plastic by partial dissolution as the solvent diffuses into the bulk material. The softened plastic welds together as the solvent evaporates. It’s physical not chemical. How easily the plastic is bonded depends on the aggressiveness of the solvent and the composition of the plastic blend. It could well be “crappy plastic” or potentially “crappy glue” like that GW shit.
     
  8. Bostria

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    Hello, Nuada.
    Carlos from CB here.

    First of all, very well expressed.

    Here at CB what we've have seen while working with many different production test models is that, when removing scraps or mould lines, this plastic behaves better with cutter and thin sandpaper than going with the file on it. The rubbery texture appears when you go with a file on the surface.
    :5: If you try to devastate a ledge by rubbing a rough metal surface against it that rubbery texture will definitely show up there.
    :5: If you try to remove a ledge by cutting it with a sharp blade and fix the surface with a thin sandpaper you'll end up having a much better result..

    I see people already claiming that this is PVC, it is not PVC, in fact we have made tests with INFINITY Silhouette 2 figures and put them next to Aristeia! PVC Chinese plastic figures and the new stuff is definitely superior in all kinds of detail.

    This is CB HQ based, wich means that the same skilled persons who casts your metal figures will produce this models. Does not come from China, this has our name written all over it.

    I keep reading that "X plastic is better", what I can tell you is that this is the one that will work better for Corvus Belli. The production process is the most similar thing to metal that exists. All the collective skills of the crew will apply to these new figures.
    I personally believe that No other company will pull out a better quality from this technology than CB. That's because we can directly apply all the years of experience on this. It is not new ground for us.

    I hope I was be able to satisfy your curiosity, and I'm really interested in you to get a copy of the Vostok Remote so you can analyze it, test it and write a final judgement.

    Have a nice day.
     
  9. Torkijo

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    Apologies as missed that, might be worth using Poliamide in answers to shut it down a little as you know the anti PVC will be strong :-)

    Personal opinion is I am fine with the move as tech has moved on a lot and also appreciate the costs of metal still rising. Only concern is that on the environment - has a comparison of environmental impact been done of this move away from metal?
     
  10. colbrook

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    Hmm, sounds similar to Siocast, which I've heard good things about.

    If it is then this won't be the first Corvus Belli miniature made using this technology as I believe PSC currently make the Corvus Belli ancients using Siocast!
     
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  11. Dragonstriker

    Dragonstriker That wizard came from the moon.

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    Polyamide = nylon for the non chemists in the audience.
    https://www.siocast.com/
    Siocast is the same stuff that Flames of War infantry and Battlegroup Northag by PSC are made from and the same machines and process. I researched it last year, saw that the manufacturer is Spanish and wondered how long before CB investigated.
    Now I guess we know.

    @Koni sorry for the PVC misinterpretation; Siocast only refer to the material as thermoplastic or SiOres & don’t publish the SDS which is why I believed it was a PVC blend.
     
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  12. Lucian

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    How hard is it compared to Aristeia PVC? No more bent barrels/swords? Does it bend when heated?
     
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    @Koni @Bostria. I'm interested in those new bases. Will they be a different design from the current LoF bases produced or just be the new material?
     
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    Nuada Airgetlam Nazis sod off ///

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    Cheers, thank you for the extensive reply and good to see you guys communicate clearly and openly about the new technology and how it behaves hobby wise. Very happy to see that :)

    I'm a bit concerned about the filing part, as it may mean that the classic technique of "use the back of the knife and scrape cleanly off" will result in similar rough texture. We'll have to see.

    Would it be possible to see examples of the physical unprimed Bearpode model or any similar model, to see where the fur / gear detail is affected by mold lines and how the process of removing these lines looks, like a short hobby video? That would definitely calm a lot of people if these clean up nicely :)
     
  15. Dragonstriker

    Dragonstriker That wizard came from the moon.

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    • According to SiOcast the material is fully recyclable.
    • It will melt more easily than white metal and is lighter, so energy usage for production and transport should be lower.
    • Raw material extraction, refining and processing I’d *expect* to be no greater impact and potentially significantly lower than mining & smelting tin and lead. It would depend greatly on what hydrocarbon feedstock is required for the monomers.
     
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    I supposewe'll have to wait for August, 11th
     
  17. Bostria

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    Hello, Lucian.
    We have plenty of footage where we directly compare side by side an INFINITY S2 Thermoplastic copy of "Stepehen Rao" next to a China PVC copy of Hannibal from the "Soldiers of Fortune" Aristeia! expansion. We will publish it soon so you can check the details.

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    I have seen a flexible quality to this plastic when it comes to thin swords or the last segment of the Vostok's weapon cannon that you can see on the image right there. I can touch it with my finger and it bends and then, after removing my finger, gets back to original position.
    If you are looking for it to be absolutely rigid or to break under pressure it doesn't happen.
     
  18. Koni

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    We have planned a special Studio Update on August 11th, to show you the thermoplastic in our hands. Give us please until then to collect some feedback and questions from you and we'll answer them in that video :)
     
  19. Koni

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    Will be scenic bases made with this new material. Hope we can show you some of them in the upcoming Studio Update video I mentioned above :)
     
  20. Time Bandit

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    I can't pretend I'm not a little concerned by this move, but your production team is top notch... If it was another company I was this invested with, I'd be full out *worried*, but you guys have earned some trust.

    One big big big thing for me, though, is this: can you promise, CB peeps, that you'll take a beat before considering using this to replace S2 models? Please? The Vostok looks great but the scale and detail on that model is nothing compared to some of your S2 sculpts. Especially if the material is bendy.
     
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