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Odd question about the Toni miniature

Discussion in 'PanOceania' started by Forté, Jun 25, 2019.

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  1. Forté

    Forté Well-Known Member

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    Hi.

    Have a bit of a strange one and thought someone here might know.

    A friend bought the Toni miniature on line and it arrived without a box.
    He's concerned that he has been sold a recast and I think he might due to the following.
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    Base looks to be a Games Workshop base, which I know can happen when 2nd hand, but..
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    Flash that bad doesn't seem right for Corvus Belli in my experience and...

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    Aren't base pieces like this usually filled in?

    Hope you can help and thank you for your time.
     
  2. Rebel-187

    Rebel-187 Well-Known Member

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    I have the standard and Toni Tikbalang and both base piece are not filled. The plastic base looks like a standard 40mm. The casting fin looks not like CB quality but it can happen, is it thicc or thin?
    And Toni was sold in the ITS Tournament box but had his own blister pack.

    How much does your friend spend for it? I had to pay 70€ for mine.
     
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  3. novino

    novino Well-Known Member

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    It was part of ITS10 Winner box I think. I managed win one of these. I will take look and photos of original for comparsion when I get home.
     
  4. gregmurdock

    gregmurdock Extremely Beloved Member

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    Eduardo came with the LE tournament packs for season 8 so it coming in a normal season 10 pack is suspicious. On the other hand, Eduardo was also extremely limited so maybe they had a lesser quality mold made? Still, the color of the metal off and that's definitely not an official CB base.
     
  5. daboarder

    daboarder Force One Commander
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    looks fine to me,

    More importantly, Does it matter?
     
  6. MikeTheScrivener

    MikeTheScrivener Kamau Amphibious Intervention Operative

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    Everything looks fine but the excess flash. I kind of doubt anyone would go through the trouble of recasting the mini in pewter.
     
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  7. Forté

    Forté Well-Known Member

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    Massively as recasting doesn't support companies or original products.
     
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  8. Forté

    Forté Well-Known Member

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    It's sadly very common.
     
  9. Ayadan

    Ayadan Knight of the TAG Order

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    The cast fins are the only weird thing about what you've shown so far.
    Thing is, the risk exists also that, if this is a recast, the metal used isn't safe for your health too, with too much leather or any component in the alloy which you wouldn't be found of finding in it.

    Was the code from CB present in the bag?
     
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  10. daboarder

    daboarder Force One Commander
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    Sure, but your mate didnt know that when he bought it, if it even is a recast. And honestly doesnt really look it too me. Repack from someone who bought it, cracked the blister and had it lying around in bits seems more likely
     
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  11. Pinky

    Pinky Active Member

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    This is a limited edition model you cannot purchase from CB. You can't really support them through Toni.
     
  12. Forté

    Forté Well-Known Member

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    For context.

    Both myself and my friend know many people involved in making miniatures and running miniature brands. Neither of us want to support a recaster in any way whatsoever as they cause small companies to close over time. It's very much a principle thing.

    I've looked over the site it came from and the fact that they show many limited edition Corvus Belli miniatures, Kingdom Death figures, and figures from the old Rackham Confrontation game which have been out of production for a long time is enough for me to believe they recast. Plus they have a lot of Corvus Belli products on their site with low quality images so I don't believe they buy stock from distributors or direct.

    He is filing a PayPal claim and have made CB aware of the company too.
     
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  13. Forté

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    Thank you all for your help.
     
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  14. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    Most people have gone to resin when recasting, I think.

    As for the fins, it depends. I have seen bigger, and smaller.

    Remember Eduardo was a "basic" TAG (tikbalang, I think) with a change of arms, nothing more. I assume that, if it really is a recast, they decided not to buy the box because of the second TAG.

    I would check if they offer the new Guijia too, since that one is easier to make: buy a Guijia, clone the new arms, done.
     
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  15. Ayadan

    Ayadan Knight of the TAG Order

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    Yes, since Toni was the heroin of the Tikbalang pilots. They changed both the arms for Eduardo and the left shoulder so that it displays the name of the TAG instead of the unit motto.
     
  16. FatherKnowsBest

    FatherKnowsBest Red Knight of Curmudgeon

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    For what? This I don't get. He bought something. They delivered it. He got it. What claim can he make and why?
     
  17. Cartographer

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    Counterfeit items are against eBay's ToS.
    If the seller was claiming it was legitimate and it wasn't they broke the rules.
    If the seller is recreating someone else's (CB's) intellectual property and profiting from it, then CB have a right to stop them and claim damages.
     
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  18. MikeTheScrivener

    MikeTheScrivener Kamau Amphibious Intervention Operative

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    I'm surprised.

    I used to buy a lot of recast product of a different company that shall not be named – needless to say the Chinese recasting it almost always used resin 100% of the time. And for good reason too – it probably wasnt profitable enough to use any other material than the cheapest.
     
  19. Forté

    Forté Well-Known Member

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    It claims to be the original but most likely isn't. Recast is a copy and classes as counterfeit and fraud. Recasting is also illegal in most countries. Like I have said though, it's also the principle.
     
  20. FatherKnowsBest

    FatherKnowsBest Red Knight of Curmudgeon

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    It would end up his word against theirs then.

    All the time I've spent travelling has made me numb to any principles against copies I guess. Some great "not" authentic items available in Asia these days.
     
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