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Obligatory whining post about [Insert O12 Unit here]

Discussion in 'Yu Jing' started by ObviousGray, Aug 2, 2019.

  1. ObviousGray

    ObviousGray Frenzied Mushroom

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    To ride upon era's high tide, we proud saltminers of YJ needs one post like this.

    What should we start? maaybe we should grumble about something. The Era calls.
     
  2. Miraclebutt

    Miraclebutt Well-Known Member

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    As far as I can tell, nothing in O-12 really steps on YJ's toes, except maybe the Gangbuster and his MadTraps.

    I'd really like a serviceable TO sniper in YJ though.
     
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  3. Sedral

    Sedral Jīnshān Task Force Officier

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    I'm a bit envious of the Betatroopers (discount su-jian with mimetism) and Gangbuster KHD + madtrap profile (specialist AND madtraps? Kanren would love that), but that's it.

    If you really want to be bitter, just remember that Dashat is a thing.
     
  4. Zewrath

    Zewrath Elitist Jerk

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    Wouldn't this belong to a PanO forum?
    I'm not trying to be cheeky here, it's more due to the fact (like @Miraclebutt explains) that O-12 isn't actually reminiscent of YJ, so there really isn't something to get "mad" about, like Dashat stepping on the toes of IA.
    O-12 seems, to me, more like PanO+ with a sprinkle of Nomads profiles.
     
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  5. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    I think the only thing that looks a little close to "wait how does it cost only that much and is like mine but better is" is the Gamma vs the Multi HMG Yan Huo but it's not really that bad.
     
  6. ObviousGray

    ObviousGray Frenzied Mushroom

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    Now my sarcasm need more training no doubt XD

    Sure. YJ toes are safe. Jokin' around here.
     
  7. Zewrath

    Zewrath Elitist Jerk

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    No, I noticed :)
    Still I felt it was necessary to say, but perhaps that's because I JUST came from the PanO subforum xD
     
  8. Benkei

    Benkei Well-Known Member

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    Not safe, it's just they were utterly crushed a long time ago [emoji23]
     
  9. Knauf

    Knauf Transhumanist

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    Actually, I feel pretty good about YJ compared to O12:

    - Daoying LT compares favourably to Alpha LT in my view. Marker state is just too good of a defensive tool and LT2 + NCO does wonders for order efficiency.

    - Varangian Guard are really nice, but we also have great signature warbands in Kuang Shi and Shaolin who are much cheaper

    - Mowang, Hac Tao and Daofei are still top of the line beatsticks compared to Gamma and Omega troops

    - Guilang FO trumps both Razor and Gangbusters as a forward specialist (WIP 14). One has no marker state and the other lacks the utility of MSV 1 and Deployable repeater. Granted, TO:Camo is a big plus on the Razor, but then again, we have cheaper Ninjas for that who can also kill stuff in melee and have Anti Materiel capabilities.

    - Tiger Soldiers outperform Delta Unit in combat with BS13 + Mimetism and as an AD specialist with WIP 14.

    - Epsilon has some advantages over MSV2 Haidao, but I feel Rui Shi still win out in the MSV2 department.
     
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  10. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Xi wants to be a Gangbuster when he grows up.

    I don't think O-12 is stepping on Yu Jing's design space at all and the correct assumption that O-12 would have very few marker state units means the very lean and focused profiles probably won't be much of a problem.
    @Knauf Varangian are literally 45th Highlanders gone Regular.
     
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  11. the huanglong

    the huanglong Well-Known Member

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    WITNESS MY SALT

    [​IMG]

    >Pistol upgraded to Heavy pistol
    >BTS upgraded from 3 to 6
    >ARM upgraded from 5 to 6
    >PH upgraded from 13 to 14
    >MOV upgraded from 4-2 to 4-4
    >Full Auto L1 added
    >NWI added

    <HMG downgraded from MULTI HMG
    <Duo lost

    Difference in points is 4.

    Does this seem right?
     
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  12. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    All of the 4-2 S5 are a bit bollocks in price. This is known.
     
  13. Space Ranger

    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    I really don’t want to be salty anymore. My heart can’t take it.
     
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  14. Sedral

    Sedral Jīnshān Task Force Officier

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    Don't even need to go in another faction mate, the MHMG yan-huo is already completely outclassed by the HRMC.

    Also, they both pale when put beside the kriza borac, but at least the yan huo has an interesting niche with his special ammos.
     
  15. Weathercock

    Weathercock Well-Known Member

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    As noted above, in comparison to YJ (because I'd hate to be PanO right now), the only thing that really pisses me off is the Yan Huo/Gamma Unit one. As much as I love the Yan Huo in its aesthetics and its armoury, I've never been convinced of its viability. And for all Gamma gets, it's just confirmation that my boy, the Yan Huo, needs something more to justify his cost.

    And I'm not just talking about the Multi HMG version. My HRMC collects just as much dust as every other profile, which is a shame, since it's one of my favourite models.
     
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  16. Benkei

    Benkei Well-Known Member

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    That's the drama of the Yan Huo: uber model, mediocre usability.

    But yes, O-12 is just PanO+, nothing to worry about in Yu Jing
     
  17. Section9

    Section9 Well-Known Member

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    Very much agree with this. O12 is what PanO's army wishes it could afford to be.


    Maybe I'm weird, but I think the MHMG YH is in a better place than the Gamma HMG. Sure, it's still not getting taken, but that's because the HRMC is just flat better.

    Which would you rather have, the Yan Huo HRMC or the Gamma HMG? Me? I'd rather have the HRMC!
     
  18. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    In terms of raw firepower output the Gamma is statistically superior against most non MSV targets thanks to Full Auto and Mimetism. It also moves faster and has NWI so I'd say the better all rounder is the Gamma by a pretty considerable margin.
     
  19. Weathercock

    Weathercock Well-Known Member

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    I'd like to rally around the HRMC, but between Courage offering better defensive positioning for suppressive fire, NWI for added durability, and the superior MOV, ARM, and BTS, I'd take the Gamma in a heartbeat.
     
  20. the huanglong

    the huanglong Well-Known Member

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    Part of the problem is full auto, it's a stupid rule, especially as a skill. What part of a Sog, Kriza or Gamma's operational profile calls for/grants this skill that a yanhuo's does not. Or pretty much any fucking machinegunner?
     
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