Nullifiers and classified objectives

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  1. borings

    borings Well-Known Member

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    specifically the one where the opponent has to have a hacker make a check against the hvt. If the hvt is in the ZoC of a nullifier, does the nullifier stop the hacker from being able to do the check?

    Personally on the fence, but id like some more opinions
     
  2. krossaks

    krossaks Well-Known Member

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    In theory yes
     
  3. inane.imp

    inane.imp Well-Known Member

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    I really want to say 'Yes, the Nullifier does stop the Hacker' because I think it's a cool interraction, but I don't think it does.

    The classified doesn't say the Hacker is using a Hacking Programme as per nullifier:
    Rather HVT Espionage simply says to perform a Short Skill.
    The same is true of Data Scan:
    However, it will stop the use of Spotlight, so it's not bad for that.

    But my reading is not unequivocal. Reset only normally affects Hacking Programmes and Comms Attacks, so by the fact that Reset affects Data Scan you can surmise that it is a Hacking Programme or Comms Attack. But that's tenuous at best and is better used as a post hoc justification of RAI than a 'simple English' reading of RAW.
     
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    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Datascan is not a Hacking attempt. Similarly to how you can't use Repeaters to do the HVT objective, you also can't use anti-hacking counter-measures to stop it (a hacker with a disabled Hacking Device can still do it, f.ex.)
     
  5. inane.imp

    inane.imp Well-Known Member

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    <Insert joke about the best anti-hacking counter-measure being Redrum and it working>/bitterscarcasm
     
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  6. kinginyellow

    kinginyellow Well-Known Member

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    No, as a civilian is not trooper and nullifier protects troopers, scenery and equipment, an hvt can be forward observed if they are in a nullifier and you are not.

    From rules a trooper::
    • Game element with a Troop Profile, which belongs to the Army List of any player, capable of spending Orders as well as declaring and receiving Attacks
     
  7. Tom McTrouble

    Tom McTrouble Well-Known Member

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    Interesting. So it actually can't even stop you from spotlighting the HVT, provided that your hacker isn't physically in the Area of Effect? If so, that's pretty bonkers.
     
  8. kinginyellow

    kinginyellow Well-Known Member

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    From what i can tell, a nullifier cannot protect the hvt by being placed near it. You can place it near the enemy to prevent him from doing some of the actions (like spotlight and forward observe), but thats it and it has no relation to where the hvt is located, just the enemy's position.
     
  9. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    ...unless the HVT is a Designated Target.

    Isn't this a fun interaction?
     
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  10. borings

    borings Well-Known Member

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    It seems really counter intuitive that the nullifier protects literally everything but the civvie. Like it protects random bits of trash on the ground but not a high value target. Pretty bad engineering on the part of whoever designed them.
     
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