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No hacking device plus for YJ ?

Discussion in 'Yu Jing' started by Fangoman, Nov 5, 2018.

  1. Fangoman

    Fangoman New Member

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    Just a stupid question.
    There is no hacking device plus in our equipment ?
    No way to get it somehow ?
     
  2. SpectralOwl

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    Uhahu, via Soldiers of Fortune optional rules, can use a HD+. Unfortunately Yu Jing lacks a native option for now.
     
  3. daszul

    daszul Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, same with JSA... :disappointed:
    But with 'Soldiers of Fortune' you can pick Uhahu.

    edit: damn, SpectralOwl was a bit faster...
     
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  4. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Think HD+ is treated as unique faction benefits and that this is not on Yu Jing's benefits list.
     
  5. ObviousGray

    ObviousGray Frenzied Mushroom

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    Think there is some 'Top' gear which CB consider the symbol of techsomething.

    Shooting - MSV 3
    Hacking - HD+
    CC - EXP CCW
    Docs - Akbar something.

    While I do like the idea of White Noise + Suji or Yanhuo salvo, and I think that will be extremely fun to do with, still Yu Jing got its characteristic of Jack of all trades.

    I'm not sad, it's the faction design.

    Beside, let us ignore other factions discuss about how disgusting Daofei and Su Jian is. Adding one more will be too much.
     
  6. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Every time I play SOF I think "Lu Duan! This is your moment to shine! Uhahu will come to your aid!" and then I remember the Lu Duan has MSV1.
     
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  7. SpectralOwl

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    What were you trying to use the HD+ for? There may be something in-faction that could do the job.
     
  8. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Most likely White Noise. White Noise makes Hac Tao and Swiss Guard downright evil versus the plethora of MSV1 troopers out there.
     
  9. Fangoman

    Fangoman New Member

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    Thanks
    I wanted to avoid being annihilated by the defensive core team with MSVL2 and ML/multisniper...
    It`s ok the way it is... it would have been good, but I will think about something different...
     
  10. ObviousGray

    ObviousGray Frenzied Mushroom

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    Try some Wu Ming LGL. I remember MSV2 HI link does not exist, it might help a bit.

    Or just go full crazy with Yanhuo HRMC. It helped me a lot.
     
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  11. SpectralOwl

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    Links hate Saturation Zones, since it halves their odds of winning FTF. Bringing Zhanying or one of the Wu Ming for Nimbus Grenades to cut down BS by 3 and Burst by 1 is much worse for a link investing in MSV then it is for you and your high-BS HI with support weapons like the Yan Huo HRMC or the Wu Ming HMG in a link. Alternatively, futz with terrain and replace a few bits of scatter with Saturation Zones. Or White Noise zones. Never be afraid to play to your strengths when building a table, you're paying extra for the skills that make best use of certain terrain configurations so you may as well get your points' worth.
     
  12. Shinen

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    YuJing isn't High Tech enough for an HD+, the only thing i could imagine YuJing could get would be a Merc like Uhahu or Upgrade: White Noise on one very expensive Profile like the DaoYing.
     
  13. SpectralOwl

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    Main Sphere powers are absolutely high-tech enough to produce a HD+, they've got a massive pool of potential users to draw from and can use espionage to just nick one from the Nomads if they were the inventors. I think that the issue is that they require an absolutely top-notch operator with tech skills they've spent their whole life training; I don't think there are any HD+ users below WIP 14. Top Sphere hackers are probably very rare due to the apparent ease of operating Maya-integrated systems, and very likely too valuable or too unfit to actually deploy on the battlefield for Infinity black ops. It wouldn't surprise me if Sphere EVO operators were a match for Nomad hacking specialists just because of sheer population.
    Edit; on a mechanics perspective this all makes no sense because the Unknown Ranger, an Ariadnan with no training, can rip the HD+ off an Interventor's corpse and make full, competent use of it.
     
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  14. Sedral

    Sedral Jīnshān Task Force Officier

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    We have a bunch of units capable of dealing with this kind of threat head-on. In fact, even a plain Zuyong HMG has "favorable" odds against a Djanzaban/Yaogat/Bao sniper as long as you don't try to fight them from beyond 32", though it's dangerously close to 50/50 so i would advise against it unless you don't have any other choice.

    You want at least high burst (4/5) with very good BS (14+) and/or fighting in the 8-16" rangeband to deny them their +3 to hit . Don't engage below 8, they have pistols!

    Regarding the units fit for the job, anything with a spitfire and BS13 or higher will murder them if they can engage in the 8-16 rangeband. Su-jian, Daofei, Crane, Shang-ji, tiger soldier, rui-shi with marksmanship (Lu-duan works too). Otherwise, a Yan-huo HRMC is your best bet!

    And as @SpectralOwl pointed, a nimbus grenade can be really helpfull.

    It's a skill issue, not a tech one, that's why you need to pass a WIP roll to activate white noise or cybermask.
     
  15. Shinen

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    Im not sure if i get what you want to say. Skill is a sole fluff thing and YuJing isn't (shouldn't be) incompetent. The ISS should have enought elite hackers to spare some for black ops because its mandatory to run a counter insurgency group. Unless we take uprising as an example :D
     
  16. SpectralOwl

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    Yu Jing certainly isn't incompetent, it's more that Nomads are basically programmer-quality computer users even during early childhood due to the environment and culture, ALEPH is an Artificial Intelligence that dwarfs our puny meatbrains, and Combined uses both of those things at the same time. A top-quality education at usual soldier recruitment ages doesn't really measure up, though we can be proud that Celestial Guard hackers are better then anything in the Hyperpower without the Character type, and they're the ISS Line Troops.
     
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    ObviousGray Frenzied Mushroom

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    I might get prosecuted for saying this, but I actually enjoy adding one Zhanshi hacker to my list, especially when I bring some TR bots or our beloved battle remotes.

    It's the cheapest normal HD we can bring, and it does pose some nuisance sitting back popping supportwares or try to hack some ADs.
     
  18. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Nomads are handwavium through and through. Just because there's a great need for hackers and programmers doesn't mean that this type of need breeds a great amount of quality, more likely it'll breed a great deal of hack-jobs (this is not a favourable way of describing things). The scrapheap description of Defensive Hacking Devices comes to mind.

    That aside, People in the Sphere interface with computers a lot more than they do in current times and with Yu Jing having the historical ancestor it has, it is highly likely that everyone receives decent quality education and that the military and intelligence services is informed and gets to cherry-pick outstanding talents to start said top-quality education at a much earlier age than soldier recruitment age.

    As a result I'd conclude it's absolutely a tech issue. Yanying likely has stuff that's more than an equivalent on an interplanetary scale, but that Yu Jing (and Pan-O) just hasn't been able to make devices capable of carrying the more potent programs. More information in RPG, I'm certain. The only thing that's a bit weird to me is that Yu Jing doesn't have the kind of exceptional hacking talents typically stereotyped for communist regimes. I'm talking about Interventor-style units, not necessarily with HD+, but at least with supreme WIP and BTS.
     
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  19. SpectralOwl

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    Nomads are definitely handwavium through and through, I am well aware of this. Praxis is the biggest pile of nonsense in the setting, and that includes the Uprising, so it's saying something.

    However, there is an argument for "practice makes perfect", and I remember somewhere that Arachne is deliberately designed in a moronic fashion that essentially requires a full understanding of computer code. Maya is designed for sane (if a little lazy) people, and therefore there is less need for an average user to understand what's going on. (Seriously, if you need an example, compare the user bases of Windows and Linux or especially Unix.) I'll give you the point about soldier recruitment age; the store page lists Guijia pilot training starting in middle school. The communist hacker thing wouldn't work in the Infinity setting very well because the Internet itself will tattle on you if you dodge the Great Firewall without actually using the Nomad network, and by then you're probably in such hot water with the ISS that you'll want to get off that planet ASAP.

    I give the Interventors a pass because they are bank security. The whole setting falls apart the moment someone gets a better hacker than whoever maintains the value of electric currency, and I'm pretty sure the Interventors recruit from everywhere they can send a kidnapping squad. Since the only other Nomad hacker toting a HD+ is also a space masochist nun with an irrational fear of Friend Computer I'm not going to hurt my brain applying reason to it.
     
  20. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Well, Great Firewall is a good argument for them having excellent hackers ;)
    Need that firewall and those police forces with top-notch hackers to find those trying to get around it, you know, for the same reasons as bank security.
     
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