Hello, I'm new to Haqqislam - been playing Assault Sub-Section and JSA - but I decided to try out a new faction - all the pictures I've seen of people painting their Haqq as Cobra made the choice for me. I've put together a list and was hoping for some constructive criticism. Cobra-la ────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 10 2 SALADIN Lieutenant Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 36) AL-DJABEL Rifle + Light Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW, Knife. (0 | 35) BARID Hacker (Assault Hacking Device UPGRADE: Icebreaker) Rifle + Pitcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 19) TARIK MANSURI AP Rifle + Light Shotgun, Nanopulser, Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 53) LEILA SHARIF Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Shock Marksman Rifle, D-Charges / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0 | 20) DAYLAMI (CH: Limited Camouflage, Inferior Infiltration) Light Shotgun, Panzerfaust / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 8) DAYLAMI (CH: Limited Camouflage, Inferior Infiltration) Light Shotgun, Panzerfaust / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 8) GHULAM Doctor Plus (MediKit) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16) NAJJARUN Engineer Rifle + Light Shotgun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 17) ÁYYĀR (Surprise Shot L2) Shock Marksman Rifle / 2 Viral Pistols, CCW, Knife. (0 | 39) GHULAM (Forward Observer) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13) FARZAN (Chain of Command) Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 26) GROUP 2 2 2 MUTTAWI'AH Chain Rifle, E/Marat, Jammer, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5) MUTTAWI'AH Chain Rifle, E/Marat, Jammer, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5) 1.5 SWC | 300 Points Open in Infinity Army The basic idea behind the selections: Saladin will do what Saladin do and then will sit in the back - hopefully drawing enemy units into attacking the obvious lieutenant. Al-Djabel goes after enemy link teams/suppression pieces/obvious lieutenants/ect Barid Hacker attempts to lock down enemy HI/Tags Tarik rambos Leila attempts to knock out enemy hackers/important aro pieces with KHD and Cybermask Daylami act as aro pieces Ghulam doctor does what doctors do + specialist Najjarun fills specialist role and completes engineering objectives Ayyar backs up Tarik and plays holoprojecter suppression games Ghulam forward observer adds an order and fills observer objective Farzan provides chain of command when/if Saladin goes belly up - also surprise shot boarding shotgun Muttawi'ah x2 provide rear area coverage/protection for Saladin I'm a little worried I don't have enough orders - but I'm used to dealing with very few orders from my days with aleph so that's how I normally build my lists. Am I at least close to having something workable, or am I whistling in the wind?
How do you have 12 units in group 1? I'd recommend giving Tarik a Spitfire. You have tons of SWC available, and he becomes much better with one. I'd recommend dropping the engineer, as you don't have anything to repair, unless you're worried about glue guns or E/M. Cobra-la ────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 10 SALADIN Lieutenant Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 36) TARIK MANSURI Spitfire, Nanopulser, Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (1.5 | 55) ÁYYĀR (Surprise Shot L2) Shock Marksman Rifle / 2 Viral Pistols, CCW, Knife. (0 | 39) AL-DJABEL Rifle + Light Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW, Knife. (0 | 35) BARID Hacker (Assault Hacking Device UPGRADE: Icebreaker) Rifle + Pitcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 19) LEILA SHARIF Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Shock Marksman Rifle, D-Charges / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0 | 20) FARZAN (Chain of Command) Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 26) GHULAM Doctor Plus (MediKit) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16) GHULAM (Forward Observer) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13) GHULAM (Deployable Repeater) Rifle + Light Shotgun, E/Mauler / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14) GROUP 2 4 2 MUTTAWI'AH Chain Rifle, E/Marat, Jammer, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5) MUTTAWI'AH Chain Rifle, E/Marat, Jammer, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5) DAYLAMI (CH: Limited Camouflage, Inferior Infiltration) Light Shotgun, Panzerfaust / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 8) DAYLAMI (CH: Limited Camouflage, Inferior Infiltration) Light Shotgun, Panzerfaust / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 8) 3 SWC | 299 Points Open in Infinity Army
You need to move 2 units ot group 2 as you can only have 10 units maximum in a single combat group, (G:Synch remotes do not count towards this). I also agree that changing Tarik to the Spitfire version would be better. You have the Farzan CoC to back him up so go wild with him.
How do you deal with anything over 24" away? It feels like this list would get easily locked into your DZ by a totes remote or a sniper with a visor and/or visual mods. You have Al D'Jellybaby but if he fluffs his roll, eats a mine, or gets killed before your first turn I don't see a backup plan. I'd seriously try to find room for an HMG, HRL, or competent sniper.
Crud - I wasn't paying attention to the number of models in group one. How about the following - I've dropped the engineer and FO for a spitfire on Tarik and a Lasiq with viral sniper. Should let me reach out and touch someone. Also had enough left over to add a Nasmat for the doctor. Cobra-la ────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 7 2 SALADIN Lieutenant Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 36) AL-DJABEL Rifle + Light Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW, Knife. (0 | 35) BARID Hacker (Assault Hacking Device UPGRADE: Icebreaker) Rifle + Pitcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 19) LEILA SHARIF Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Shock Marksman Rifle, D-Charges / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0 | 20) DAYLAMI (CH: Limited Camouflage, Inferior Infiltration) Light Shotgun, Panzerfaust / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 8) DAYLAMI (CH: Limited Camouflage, Inferior Infiltration) Light Shotgun, Panzerfaust / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 8) GHULAM Doctor Plus (MediKit) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16) NASMAT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3) TARIK MANSURI Spitfire, Nanopulser, Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (1.5 | 55) FARZAN (Chain of Command) Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 26) GROUP 2 2 2 2 LASIQ Viral Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 25) MUTTAWI'AH Chain Rifle, E/Marat, Jammer, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5) MUTTAWI'AH Chain Rifle, E/Marat, Jammer, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5) ÁYYĀR (Surprise Shot L2) Shock Marksman Rifle / 2 Viral Pistols, CCW, Knife. (0 | 39) 4.5 SWC | 300 Points Open in Infinity Army
I'd suggest putting all the regular orders in one pool. An HMG wouldn't hurt, but this is worth trying for a few games.
first off, welcome to the Haqqislam fold! sadly that works for Aleph due to the raw strength and durability of a few individual units, but vanilla Haqq don't really have the same kind of super-rambos that "elite" factions have access to. Even our hero Tarik with Fatality 2 on 4 dice, can be rather fragile as he doesn't have any defensive mods and armour 3 isn't really that fantastic. I find his strength is by being sneaky with super-jump and flanking with his 6" first mov, in conjunction with all the other smaller Haqq units providing cover and/or clearing the way for him. Straight up both flat BS type of fights are still "doable" of course by certain individual troops, but vanilla Haqq don't particularly shine in that area. Support from *combinations* of troops, along with asymmetric warfare are our real strengths. my opinion on your list: without changing too much, I would swap out the Ayyar for cheaper stuff that can provide orders for your hungry Tarik and Djabel. Naffatuns, Krakots and the like provide both good orders and are good guards too. I prefer the KHD barid over Leila, and would use the points saved to help upgrade the AHD Barid to an AHD Hawwa. Infiltrating WIP 14, boarding shot gun and camo state as a layer of protection against enemy KHDs, along with d-charges to help classified objectives.
Most of the time, my vanilla lists use 8 regulars in 1st group, and 1-3 in 2nd plysb3 to 9 irregulars. I'm almost always including following: DJ Bazan HMG Ghulam ML Ghulam Doc with Nasmat Ghulam Hacker (if so, i'm fielding Fanous and Shibab as well) At least 2 Mutts 2 Naffatuns on flanks FO Hunzakuts (or Specialist Tuareg) Another aro piece like Ghulam SR (or Lasiq VSR if i want someone with huge "KILL ME FIRST" sign above his head) Ap HMG Azrail if im not fielding Shibab This way, i have expendable front line, specialists, 2 highburst weapons and expendable plain AROs as well.
I'm new to Infinity in general and have been playing solely against my friend's PanO. I've played around with a lot of different lists, and would love to know what everyone thinks about this limited insertion all-comers list I've been playing with. Limited Insertion - All ────────────────────────────────────────────────── 8 2 1 SALADIN Lieutenant Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 36) FARZAN (Chain of Command) Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 26) HUNZAKUT (Deployable Repeater) Rifle + Light Grenade Launcher, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 18) MUTTAWI'AH Boarding Shotgun, E/Marat, Jammer, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10) AL-DJABEL Rifle + Light Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW, Knife. (0 | 35) FASID HMG + (Smoke and Normal) Light Grenade Launcher, Antipersonnel Mines / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (2 | 53) ÁYYĀR (Surprise Shot L2) Shock Marksman Rifle / 2 Viral Pistols, CCW, Knife. (0 | 39) LEILA SHARIF Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Shock Marksman Rifle, D-Charges / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0 | 20) KAPLAN Engineer Combi Rifle, Adhesive Launcher, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27) TUAREG Doctor Plus (MediKit) Rifle + Light Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 33) NASMAT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3) 2.5 SWC | 300 Points Open in Infinity Army
Well, you don't have too much teeths for ARO, maybe change the Tuareg for 1 Djanbazan for smoke tricks, and you don't need that Kaplan really, maybe a Lasiq sniper/Muyib HRL/TR drone/Sekban HRL... that could help a lil bit, and plz, use the Mutt with chain rifle, the BSG version is never a good option ( for 10 pts). I would try change another active piece for one more ARO piece, and try to put another medic if you take the Tuareg off too. Maybe something like this: Limited Insertion - All ────────────────────────────────────────────────── 9 1 1 SALADIN Lieutenant Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 36) FARZAN (Chain of Command) Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 26) AL-DJABEL Rifle + Light Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW, Knife. (0 | 35) FASID HMG + (Smoke and Normal) Light Grenade Launcher, Antipersonnel Mines / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (2 | 53) DJANBAZAN HMG / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 35) MUYIB (X Visor) Heavy Rocket Launcher, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 22) LASIQ Viral Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 25) LEILA SHARIF Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Shock Marksman Rifle, D-Charges / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0 | 20) ASAWIRA Doctor Plus (MediKit) Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 39) NASMAT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3) MUTTAWI'AH Chain Rifle, E/Marat, Jammer, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5) 6 SWC | 299 Points Open in Infinity Army