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New FAQ - Stealth

Discussion in '[Archived]: N3 Rules' started by RobertShepherd, Apr 11, 2019.

  1. RobertShepherd

    RobertShepherd Antipodean midwit

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    Hey all, just confirming that this is now an intended interaction with the new FAQ:

    1. Two makauls and a Sakiel in a triad under smoke eclipse smoke are within 4" of an enemy.
    2. Triad activates and declares first short skill: move, with a Makaul as the leader. Both makauls but not the sakiel move into melee with the enemy.
    3. The enemy cannot declare a melee attack against the makauls because they have stealth, and stealth prevents AROs against them even if they reach melee from outside LOF. However, the enemy can declare change facing against the Sakiel, and does so.
    4. Makaul in melee declares a B2 PHY14 Martial Arts 1 or 2 iKhol 1 CC attack against the enemy's change facing.
    5. Enemy change facing dodge is F2F with the makaul attacks but suffers full penalties from iKhol and martial arts as applicable
    6. ???
    7. Profit
     
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  2. spears

    spears Well-Known Member

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    Well that makes yojimbo even scarier
     
  3. Marduck

    Marduck Well-Known Member

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    Can Yojimbo be part of a FT ?

    Anyway, if you can close combat with your makaul, the opponent mini is in big trouble anyway (except Achilles and other big CC characters ...)

    That's the only ruling in the last FAQ I'm concerned with ...
     
  4. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    Jim can't be in a FT but he can do the same thing using his Koalas that don't have Stealth.
     
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    Robock Well-Known Member

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    yep, they finally decided the case, and they opted that stealth hacker can get almost free shots by forcing the enemy to react to his non-stealth friend. Almost free, because the target can Reset against the non stealth model.
     
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  6. Azuset

    Azuset Well-Known Member

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    I thought if you where in base to base you have LoF. Why is stealth preventing melee attacks?
     
  7. Azuset

    Azuset Well-Known Member

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    This is in stealth rule.
    • However, if the second Short Skill of the Order is any non-Movement Skill, then those enemies can react normally in ARO.
     
  8. solkan

    solkan Well-Known Member

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    Bullet point two:
    • A trooper with Stealth that declares a Short Movement Skill or Cautious Movementwithin the Zone of Control of one or more enemies but outside their LoF does not grant AROs to those enemies, even if he reaches base contact with them.
    So there’s no valid ARO to the two models in base contact yet.
     
  9. Skjarr

    Skjarr EI Mouthpiece

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    Presumably because at the first ARO declaration you have a valid ARO against the non-stealth member and must take it or lose any ARO opportunity.
    Sixth Sense excepted of course.
     
  10. Marduck

    Marduck Well-Known Member

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    This worries me a lot more than the CC trick.

    But since CB said they are going to have a FAQ every 3 months, maybe it will be changed if it is abused in games.
     
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  11. Azuset

    Azuset Well-Known Member

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    Yup, im confused again....

    • A trooper with Stealth that declares a Short Movement Skill or Cautious Movement within the Zone of Control of one or more enemies but outside their LoF does not grant AROs to those enemies, even if he reaches base contact with them.
    • However, if the second Short Skill of the Order is any non-Movement Skill, then those enemies can react normally in ARO.
    The way I read this is that if the second short skill is any non-movement skill, then those enemies can react normally in ARO. In the example above the second short skill was a CC attack. therefore it was a non-movement skill. Hence they get to react normally.
     
  12. daboarder

    daboarder Force One Commander
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    yeah, this ones gonna become a sore issue.

    The way you can use this is pretty filth, theres a massive number of ways to use this interaction to force free hits ect vs units.
     
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  13. daboarder

    daboarder Force One Commander
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    did you ARO vs the First model and declare a valid skill Vs that model at the end of the first short skill?
    Yes, good resolve it vs that model, get hit by the other model for free.
    No, Ok, you forfeited your ARO by not declaring when you had the first opportunity, so get hit by the other model for free
     
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  14. MikeTheScrivener

    MikeTheScrivener O-12 Peace Kepper

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    Why don't we compile a list of those who can abuse this!

    Right now I can think of:
    DeFersen + hospitallers/order sergeants
    Umbra + Rhodoks
     
  15. Marduck

    Marduck Well-Known Member

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    Change facing is not a valide ARO when in engaged state. And even if you can't ARO the stealthy models, you are still engaged. So actually in this instance you could not react at all ?

    Pandora Box opened ! :D

    PS : Santiago KHD + Anyone
     
  16. daboarder

    daboarder Force One Commander
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    Yo jimbo is one of the filthiest given he carries his own smoke and his koalas
     
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    inane.imp Well-Known Member

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    KotHS KHD + Order Sergeants through a Nomad Repeater.

    "I'm my Interventor Lt White Noises I suppose... And I'll die to Normal roll Skullbuster"
     
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  18. Azuset

    Azuset Well-Known Member

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    So in the example above because no ARO was designated at the sakiel because he was the only valid target at the time. Means that no ARO was possible when units reach base to base?
     
  19. inane.imp

    inane.imp Well-Known Member

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    You can absolutely declare Change Facing on the order you enter the Engaged state. And even if you started the order Engaged to an inactive model Reset is valid.
     
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  20. daboarder

    daboarder Force One Commander
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    If you dont declare the ARO Vs the sakiel in the above example you do not get an ARO
     
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