Hey all, just confirming that this is now an intended interaction with the new FAQ: Two makauls and a Sakiel in a triad under smoke eclipse smoke are within 4" of an enemy. Triad activates and declares first short skill: move, with a Makaul as the leader. Both makauls but not the sakiel move into melee with the enemy. The enemy cannot declare a melee attack against the makauls because they have stealth, and stealth prevents AROs against them even if they reach melee from outside LOF. However, the enemy can declare change facing against the Sakiel, and does so. Makaul in melee declares a B2 PHY14 Martial Arts 1 or 2 iKhol 1 CC attack against the enemy's change facing. Enemy change facing dodge is F2F with the makaul attacks but suffers full penalties from iKhol and martial arts as applicable ??? Profit
Can Yojimbo be part of a FT ? Anyway, if you can close combat with your makaul, the opponent mini is in big trouble anyway (except Achilles and other big CC characters ...) That's the only ruling in the last FAQ I'm concerned with ...
yep, they finally decided the case, and they opted that stealth hacker can get almost free shots by forcing the enemy to react to his non-stealth friend. Almost free, because the target can Reset against the non stealth model.
This is in stealth rule. However, if the second Short Skill of the Order is any non-Movement Skill, then those enemies can react normally in ARO.
Bullet point two: A trooper with Stealth that declares a Short Movement Skill or Cautious Movementwithin the Zone of Control of one or more enemies but outside their LoF does not grant AROs to those enemies, even if he reaches base contact with them. So there’s no valid ARO to the two models in base contact yet.
Presumably because at the first ARO declaration you have a valid ARO against the non-stealth member and must take it or lose any ARO opportunity. Sixth Sense excepted of course.
This worries me a lot more than the CC trick. But since CB said they are going to have a FAQ every 3 months, maybe it will be changed if it is abused in games.
Yup, im confused again.... A trooper with Stealth that declares a Short Movement Skill or Cautious Movement within the Zone of Control of one or more enemies but outside their LoF does not grant AROs to those enemies, even if he reaches base contact with them. However, if the second Short Skill of the Order is any non-Movement Skill, then those enemies can react normally in ARO. The way I read this is that if the second short skill is any non-movement skill, then those enemies can react normally in ARO. In the example above the second short skill was a CC attack. therefore it was a non-movement skill. Hence they get to react normally.
yeah, this ones gonna become a sore issue. The way you can use this is pretty filth, theres a massive number of ways to use this interaction to force free hits ect vs units.
did you ARO vs the First model and declare a valid skill Vs that model at the end of the first short skill? Yes, good resolve it vs that model, get hit by the other model for free. No, Ok, you forfeited your ARO by not declaring when you had the first opportunity, so get hit by the other model for free
Why don't we compile a list of those who can abuse this! Right now I can think of: DeFersen + hospitallers/order sergeants Umbra + Rhodoks
Change facing is not a valide ARO when in engaged state. And even if you can't ARO the stealthy models, you are still engaged. So actually in this instance you could not react at all ? Pandora Box opened ! :D PS : Santiago KHD + Anyone
KotHS KHD + Order Sergeants through a Nomad Repeater. "I'm my Interventor Lt White Noises I suppose... And I'll die to Normal roll Skullbuster"
So in the example above because no ARO was designated at the sakiel because he was the only valid target at the time. Means that no ARO was possible when units reach base to base?
You can absolutely declare Change Facing on the order you enter the Engaged state. And even if you started the order Engaged to an inactive model Reset is valid.