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Discussion in 'Haqqislam' started by Chrisvalderosa, Nov 7, 2018.

  1. Chrisvalderosa

    Chrisvalderosa New Member

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    I want to play Infinity and I would like to start with a Haqqislam army.. wich once should I buy and I really want the Maggy. And wich characters control the remove? Thanks!
     
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  2. Errhile

    Errhile A traveller on the Silk Road

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    Afandim? Excuse me...?

    At this point, there are three current starter sets to choose from (Hassassin Bahram, vanilla Haqq-soon-to-be-Ramah Task Force, and Qapu Khalqi, going from the newest to the oldest. Also, some retailers still have the 1st and 2nd sculpt vanilla starter sets, and I guess 1st sculpt Hassassin Bahram one too).
    Since you want the Maghaiba Guard to come along with it, you're limited to playing vanilla Haqq at the moment (and possibly Ramah in the future). While Hassassin (and, to a degree, QK) starters mightbe used in vanilla Haqq, certainly the most fitting choice would be the vanilla Haqq starter.

    I assume the second question is about remotes?
    You need a TAG or a Hacker (any) in your list to be able to legally field REMs.
    If you want to buff the REMs via Supportware programs, you generally need a standard Hacker or an EVO Hacker. Other Hacker types (Assault Hacker, Killer Hacker - so far, I don't recall Haqq having access to other Hacking Device models) still permit you to field REMs, and still can use REM's Repeater equipment (if the REM has it - Shaytaniah and Shihab don't) to extend their Zone of Control, but that's about it.
     
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  3. theGricks

    theGricks Well-Known Member

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    I think @Errhile hit everything. I might suggest a purchase schedule of:

    1. Vanilla Haqqislam Starter (Red Viel would be prefferable if you can split it)
    2. Haqqislam Support Pack
    3. Haqqislam Remote Box
    4. Haqqislam Ghulam Special Weapons Box
    5. Al'Hawwa blister
    6. Maghariba Guard
    7. Haqqislam Baggage Remote Box
     
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  4. Chrisvalderosa

    Chrisvalderosa New Member

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    @Errhile and @theGricks thanks a lot! I've been reading your Tacticas and threads.. I think I will start with Hassasin Bahram.. thank you very much?
     
  5. Sojourne

    Sojourne Irregular

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    Hassasin Bahram doesn't allow you Maggie though, just to note. Otherwise, welcome to Haqq! Starting with Haqq as your first army can arguably be one of the tougher choice for a new player, so do feel free to ask here if you need help.
     
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  6. Urobros

    Urobros Well-Known Member

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    I add one 8. point:
    8. Beyond Red Veil (like Red Veil far better if you can split, if not, don't worry, it isn'r rare that you can't buy from "second half market", :P. I really don't know if they are another name from this in English) :)

    Welcomme to the land of silk and sand...

    Edit: I want to say "Second HAND Market"
     
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    theGricks Well-Known Member

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    I have no idea how I forgot Beyond Red Veil! Thanks!
     
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  8. Ariwch

    Ariwch Tournament benthotic lurker

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    Leila can also be useful, especially for HB... But hardly as a first buy.
     
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  9. Urobros

    Urobros Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, Barid hackers should come first.

    After that, one pretty and really usefull miniature is Saladino.

    Sometimes happends, maybe the Swiss Ward extends his camouflage?? :P
     
  10. Barrogh

    Barrogh Well-Known Member

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    Overall, I think this is a decent recommendation:

    Except for Vanilla TAG list I would forgo starter / Red Veil / Beyond*, replace Ghulam box with Naffatun and add a box of Ghazi Muttawiah because, well, for their points it's probably the best unit in the faction, if not in the game.

    * - Beyond does provide an alternative to your current active piece of choice in the form of Tarik, the only modern Fiday sculpt and also comes with Ragik which can occasionally be useful, so it's pretty valid choice once you decide to expand. But then, Red Veil + Beyond may end up being great purchase if you intend to use new sectorial, Ramah Task Force, in the future.

    Leila is decent enabler for REMs, so is Barid. They both are good because they, as well as Ghazi, can be used to make life harder for certain TAG counters thanks to KHD. If you are going to get Leila, find someone who would buy Chinese guy from that box. You can keep stringer to be used as HVT or Warcor (which is another unit with great value for its 3 points).

    Krakot blister may be useful, upcoming Libertos seem good and are playable in almost all Vanilla lists, but all that depends on whether you're into ape-pig and fish people in your army. Otherwise they all seem to be good value on the table.

    Hunzakut blister is also okay if you want active midfield piece to be an annoyance or to push buttons. If you suspect you won't always activate it, you may want to consider someone regular for the role.

    I'm not sure what to get on top of this for your intended list, but you will probably want to play something that isn't a TAG at some point, because frankly, TAGs are hard to not feed to your opponent and to use without asking yourself "why wouldn't I use something else instead?" - albeit Haqq's TAG is at least one of discounted units and thus isn't exactly trash sub-optimal choice like some "vanilla TAGs" (sometimes they are called MBT here, basically TAGs with S7, Multi HMG, ARM8, BTS6, W3 and not much else, costing whooping 100 points or so). Just keep in mind that TAG lists may be hard to play and to win with for newcomers, especially if this TAG is S8 Maggie.

    Speaking of other active shooters, Djanbazan HMG can make quite a lot out of Ghazi's smoke, but that would require you to buy an entire Djan box for that, with 3 (or at least 2) other models destined to collect dust on a shelf if you'll keep playing Vanilla. Consider a proxy to try it on the table before buying. If your group doesn't mind permanent proxies, you may just grab Govad HMG blister instead (who, in my persistent opinion, is not worth taking as herself in Vanilla or at all, but it's nice mini).

    But it's hard for me to tell where to expand from there though. Starter + basic infantry SWC box is a standard recommendation, but when it comes to Haqq, I would only really recommend that if you either know exactly that you will need special models that comes in those boxes, or decide to start Hassassin Bahram (note that there aren't many things HB can do that Vanilla doesn't do better).
     
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  11. theGricks

    theGricks Well-Known Member

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    The problem with providing good recommendations for Haqq is that we have such a wealth of units and different styles available now that its hard to pin a play style. With Maggy, Saladin, Al'Fasids, and Jannissaries, we can do really good LI now with HI.
     
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  12. Chrisvalderosa

    Chrisvalderosa New Member

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    Wow! Thank you all for help! I will start without maggy.. I didn't it would be this hard to decide with army to start with..

    @Barrogh what do you mean by ape-pig or fish people?
     
  13. Chrisvalderosa

    Chrisvalderosa New Member

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    Yup! I cant decide how to start.. hahaha... which list I want to try...
     
  14. Errhile

    Errhile A traveller on the Silk Road

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    Morat. In that specific case, Krakot Renegade.

    Helot, in that specific case, Liberto.
     
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    theGricks Well-Known Member

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    AKA Alien races
     
  16. Chrisvalderosa

    Chrisvalderosa New Member

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    Oh... Mercs! How do I start with a list? 1 group with 10 orders.. with Saladin as the Lt and some Mutawii'ah for the remotes and a Hunzakut to be the skirmisher? How do I make a fire team? Thanks!
     
  17. Errhile

    Errhile A traveller on the Silk Road

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    Well...

    You need at least one Combat Group... okay, scratch this. Let's do it from the ground up:

    You need some Regular Orders. So, Regular models.Rule of thumb says you should have at least 8 of these on the table in your primary Combat Group at the game start. Hunzakut, Ghazi Muttawi'ah and a few others are Irregular, so you need to limit their numbers.
    Why? Orders are your fuel in the Combat Group. With Regular Orders you can power any model within that Group. With Irregular order, only the model that generated it. Thus, a good supply of Regular Orders allows you to be flexible. Activate any model within the group (even Irregular!).

    You need to fill some niches, equipment-wise. On a regular table, it is advisable ot have a high-Burst weapon with a decent range - a HMG or a Spitfire. Also, to have at least one long-ranged weapon - Missile / Rocket Launcher or a Sniper Rifle.

    Personally, I like to have a "problem solver" with Camouflage & Infiltration, or Airborne Deployment, too.

    In most ITS-like missions, you'll need some Specialists to take Objectives.

    You then need a Lieutenant.


    As for Fireteams, first, you have to play an army that permits Fireteams. For Haqq, at this very moment, that means either Qapu Khalqi, or Hassassin bahram. Neither of those has access to Saladin or Maghariba Guard.
    Then, when building a list, you have to find a troop that is capable of forming Fireteams (which is listed in Army Builder). Say, Ghulam - they can make a Core Fireteam in both QK and HB. You have to buy enough of them for a Fireteam size you'd like - the general rule is that a Fireteam may be composed of a single troop type only (so, a Ghulam Fireteam should consist only of Ghilim), but there are loads of exceptions nowadays (eg. Layla Sharif counts as Ghulam for Fireteam composiziton both in QK and HB, also, in QK, Hafza can join most fireteams).
    You field up to 5 models (maximum size of a Core Fireteam) within 8" of a Fireteam Leader, and declare them Fireteam.
    Should the Fireteam disband (eg. due ot Leader getting killed), you can reform this or form another fireteam spending one Command Token.
     
  18. Xeurian

    Xeurian Well-Known Member

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    Hi Chrisvalderosa, welcome aboard! Have you checked out the Army builder yet? It's the website where you can build your lists digitally and take a look at stat lines as well as what is available. It just makes things much easier to organize: https://army.infinitythegame.com/
    You can even build a list, export it and post it here for us to help you with it.

    Fireteams are only available to Sectorial armies. You will notice when you select a faction in the Army builder that most factions have the name of the faction again, which is the basic or generic (often referred to as "Vanilla") army. The forces that drop down bellow are called Sectorial Armies. Haqqislam currently has two, the Hassassin Bahram and Qapu Khalqi. These are limited to only some of the options available to the faction but often allow more copies of the profiles that are available and also give you the option to use Fireteams. I would recommend starting out with a generic Haqqislam force.
     
  19. Chrisvalderosa

    Chrisvalderosa New Member

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    Here is my first try


    [​IMG] 1st list──────────────────────────────────────────────────GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]7 [​IMG]3 [​IMG]2
    [​IMG] SALADIN Lieutenant Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 36)
    [​IMG] RAFIQ REMOTE Rifle + Light Shotgun, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 16)
    [​IMG] FANOUS REMOTE Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    [​IMG] DJANBAZAN Doctor Plus (MediKit) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 31)
    [​IMG] HUNZAKUT (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Rifle + Light Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 18)
    [​IMG] MUTTAWI
     
  20. Ben Kenobi

    Ben Kenobi Well-Known Member

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    Copy from Army didn't work proper on your smartphone/tablet
     
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