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Need help building second list (spec obs missions)

Discussion in 'ALEPH' started by Arkhos94, Feb 1, 2018.

  1. Arkhos94

    Arkhos94 Well-Known Member

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    I'm started working on my list for the french sattelite tournament.

    Mission will be : the grid, comms center, supplies, capture and protect, rescue

    My first list is quite basic with Patroclus and Achilles working together for offense and enough specialists to do the job for the mission :

    [​IMG] Liste tournois satellite n°2
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    [​IMG] ACHILLES Lieutenant Spitfire, Nanopulser / Pistol, EXP CCW. (2.5 | 75)
    [​IMG] PATROCLUS (ODD: Optical Disruptor) Spitfire, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, EXP CCW. (1.5 | 57)
    [​IMG] MYRMIDON OFFICER (Chain of Command) Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (1 | 35)
    [​IMG] PROXY Mk.5 (Forward Observer) 2 Submachine Guns, Nanopulser, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    [​IMG] PROXY Mk.2 Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 21)
    [​IMG] PROXY Mk.1 Doctor (MediKit) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    [​IMG] YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    [​IMG] NAGA (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 28)
    [​IMG] NAGA (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 28)
    [​IMG] DAKINI Tacbot Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0 | 13)
    [​IMG] LAMEDH Rebot Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    [​IMG] LAMEDH Rebot Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    [​IMG] NETROD . (0 | 4)

    5.5 SWC | 300 Points

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    My problem is my second list. With the grid, I will need at least one least with strong long distance anti-materiel and at least two FO to do the objectives. Out of that, I don't know in which direction to go.

    The Marut seems an obvious choice for bringing down scenery but I don't find a list I like. Maybe it's the good choice, maybe not.

    Would someone have some suggestion on a list/a strategy that could work on the grid and other mission ?
     
  2. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    Are there any extras? I would hate to make a 2 groups list only to be said "it's with Limited Insertion extra"...

    I would use the same list for The Grid and Comms Center, with 4 Paramedic Dakinis it can also work wonders on Supplies, and they are fast enough to work with Rescue. Consider how Comms Center is just The Grid with an Exclusion Zone added.
    For Antimaterial sniper, choose a version of Teucer and use him to double as ARO piece, with a Myrmidon bodyguard or two. Also, the Sophotect is a fast unit for both recovery and D-Charge (an Anti-material device!)

    As for Achilles/Patroclus, I'm not a fan of the Duo (which you won't be able to use since you don't have an EVO in the first list, and you are playing vanilla with the ODD Patroclus), since it is obvious which one is Achilles (you have to play 3 Duo Leader on Patroclus if he's using the HoloN2, so it's more of a "Achilles delivers Patroclus" rather than "Patroclus distracts the enemy so Achilles reaches there"), and furthermore I never deploy a Spitfire Achilles (waste of SWC for me, I prefer the Mk4 HRL).

    I would try to deploy at least one Sophotect, incidentally.
     
  3. Nenyx

    Nenyx Well-Known Member

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    What is that you don't like with Marut's lists ? Is that the Marut itself ? The fact that you have to heavily rely on a single troop ?

    Remember that the multi sniper DA mode is antimaterial. You can use a dasyu or a mk2 as a long range antimaterial weapon with the advantage of it being HD and infiltrating.

    With the marut i like having a good coverage. Someone in the other forum (sorry i'm bad with names) suggested a marut+2 zayin list, and i must say it is very good. I also tried to replace one of the zayin with mk2 sniper. Works well because you have a second ARO weapon, hidden and with a different angle, that can cover both the marut and the zayin.
    A danava is imho a must have when fielding the marut, since she can both protect from other hackers, and use white noise + assisted fire to kill those pesty msv-2 snipers.

    Here is an example, feel free to say "i don't like this or that", so that we could know what you don't like :). As a warning, this list does not have chain of command. The 1 SWC is really expensive so i decided to drop it in exchange for a better defense, so the marut here needs to be used carefully and should retreat under his coverage at the end of any turn but turn 3. And since there are several long range shooters, you don't even have to use the marut if the zayin or the mk2 can do the job.
    This list favor big guns and strong gun defense, it is rather weak vs strong and numerous hackers (nomads) and should be seen more as a "defend the castle" list. You may want to trade the naga FO and the yudbot for a naga khd, or downgrade the myrmidon. BTW, this myrmidon is here not only for smoke, but also because it is a good short range gunner and has a DA CCW.

    [​IMG] ALEPH
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    [​IMG] MARUT Lieutenant (Strategos L3) MULTI HMG, Heavy Flamethrower, Nanopulser / AP CCW. (3 | 120)
    [​IMG] [​IMG] KARKATA Flash Pulse / Knife. (0 | 0)
    [​IMG] MYRMIDON Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 26)
    [​IMG] NAGA (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 28)
    [​IMG] PROXY Mk.1 Engineer Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    [​IMG] YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    [​IMG] PROXY Mk.2 MULTI Sniper Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 24)
    [​IMG] PROXY Mk.5 (Forward Observer) 2 Submachine Guns, Nanopulser, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    [​IMG] DANAVAS Hacker (Hacking Device Plus. UPGRADE: Maestro) Combi Rifle + Pitcher / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 25)
    [​IMG] ZAYIN Rebot HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26)
    [​IMG] LAMEDH Rebot Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    [​IMG] LAMEDH Rebot Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    [​IMG] PROBOT (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    [​IMG] NETROD . (0 | 4)

    6 SWC | 300 Points

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  4. Arkhos94

    Arkhos94 Well-Known Member

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    No extra of any kind

    For my first list, Patroclus is here as an alternate firepower to achilles (either because Achilles is not on the good side to exploit an oportunity or because he died)

    Regarding the Marut, I tried it with a list with a double zayin and a danavas (
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    I like it on direct action but like your proposal it rely too much on the marut (and so you have to protect him and when he goes down your list goes down too) and you are lacking specalist for specialist opération mission

    Interesting suggestions, need to think on it.

    If you take the sophotec, you don't take Mk1 as doctor or engineer. What do you take instead ?
     
  5. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    I would still bring the Mk1 doctor, because it's a "self-healing" harder, even if a bit slower and only a medic, sophotect. However, if you bring a Danavas and some cheap remotes for repeater coverage, sparing the SWC to have another hacker might be useful for ARO and supportware, few things give as much trouble to the enemy like a 15pts (if the Paramedic has already scored the points) Dakini in the middle of the table with Marksmanship N2 and on Suppresive Fire.

    I am reticent to suggest other things, since my Posthuman lineup always include the Mk4 HRL and the MK1 medic (the Mk2 hacker can be exchanged sometimes with a Garuda, since they have almost the same cost!)
     
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  6. Nenyx

    Nenyx Well-Known Member

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    If you take a sophotech, you can also take mk2, mk4 and mk5, you gain a strong ARO weapon while keeping several specialists.

    Any marut list will rely heavily on the marut due to its cost. Nothing to do against it, except not taking the marut at all. Remember that the marut, or rather the karkata, is a specialist through.

    On a side note, in a specialist mission you are less likely to face heavy hitters, thus you have good chances of being able to dominate the firefight and kill the enemy specialists. Then you can send your own. It's more a PanO strategy, but it can still work since we have great specialists who can do the job even if they are less than the opponent. Plus you can always secure the VIP with the marut.
     
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  7. Arkhos94

    Arkhos94 Well-Known Member

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    With your comment, I reworked the list 1 a little bit. I hadn't thought on teucer to bring some anti-materiel to it :
    [​IMG] Liste tournois satellite n°2 v03
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    [​IMG] ACHILLES Lieutenant Spitfire, Nanopulser / Pistol, EXP CCW. (2.5 | 75)
    [​IMG] TEUCER (Multispectral Visor L2) Feuerbach, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 44)
    [​IMG] MYRMIDON OFFICER (Chain of Command) Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (1 | 35)
    [​IMG] PROXY Mk.5 (Forward Observer) 2 Submachine Guns, Nanopulser, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    [​IMG] PROXY Mk.2 Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 21)
    [​IMG] PROXY Mk.1 Doctor (MediKit) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    [​IMG] NAGA (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 28)
    [​IMG] NAGA (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 28)
    [​IMG] MYRMIDON Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 25)
    [​IMG] LAMEDH Rebot Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    [​IMG] LAMEDH Rebot Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    [​IMG] PROBOT (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)

    6 SWC | 300 Points

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    The Mk1 and myrmidon will stay close to teucer until he fall and then will be able to act more offensively. Still hesitating for the last point between :
    - myrmidon combi + probot (less healing use of the doctor but more use of the myrmidon) (the option showed here)
    - yudbot for the mk1 + myrmidon chain rifle + thorakitai FO (more use of the doctor, best ZD defense with the thorakitai, less use of the myrmidon)

    Still thinking on list two. I think I can tweak it to get what I want based on your advices
     
  8. Nenyx

    Nenyx Well-Known Member

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    Since there is no quadrant control, and you don't use rem+assisted fire, your probot is just an oversized netrod, so i would go with the second option. Even if the myrm is less useful, at least any miniature will have some use beside giving an order.
     
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