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My new tohaa list

Discussion in 'Tohaa' started by MRPYM, Apr 10, 2019.

  1. MRPYM

    MRPYM Member

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    SpiralCombine
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10 [​IMG]1
    SAKIEL Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 23)
    KAELTAR (Chain of Command) Light Shotgun, Flash Pulse + 2 SymbioMates / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 21)
    MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW. (0 | 13)
    GAO-RAEL Spitfire / Pistol, CCW. (1.5 | 33)
    KRIIGEL Submachine Gun, Phero-Booster / Viral Pistol, Knife. (0 | 24)
    KAMAEL (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13)
    CLIPSOS (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25)
    CHAKSA AUXILIAR (Baggage, Sensor) Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 10)
    CHAKSA AUXILIAR (Baggage, Sensor) Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 10)
    TAQEUL (Chain of Command) Spitfire, SymbioBugs / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 40)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]4 [​IMG]1
    SAKIEL Lieutenant Viral Combi Rifle, Nimbus Plus Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 24)
    MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW. (0 | 13)
    DRAAL (Minelayer) AP Marksman Rifle, D-Charges, Antipersonnel Mines / Viral Pistol, Knife. (1 | 40)
    CHAKSA AUXILIAR (Baggage, Sensor) Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 10)

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    I just tried out using spiral corp in a local tourney. It did not go so well.

    Spirals lack of availiable medium range high burst guns got me.

    So I created a list that combined spiral units I liked and preferred vanilla tohaa units.

    When I play prefer heavily to first shoot my opponents down at range the safely take objectives.

    The above list is a very generic list for pickup games.

    Is it okay to include the Taquel? I added it in because it has bs13 spitfire with okay armor with the ability to take consoles in its.

    Comments and criticisms would be very helpful.
     
  2. meikyoushisui

    meikyoushisui Competitor for Most Ignored User

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    Wait, Spiral Corps lacks medium range high burst guns? That's literally what the entire army does, buff a Draal and have the Draal go to town... Spiral Corps lacks long range shooting power, which is a huge problem this list has as well.

    You have 3 Spitfires, which is too many for the chassis they are on. I would just straight up skip the Taqeul, he doesn't offer anything a Kaeltar doesn't, especially not for double the cost.

    The next issue is the Sakiel and the Gao-Rael. I think Sakiel's are a really decent package, but the visor + FD1 on the Gao-Rael makes him a much better option for a piece to advance up the table into camo marker territory and shoot.

    Next is long range guns -- you probably want to include and HMG in this list somewhere, especially if your preference is to shoot first and then push buttons. The Sukeul is the preferred shooter for that case.

    The next big issue you have is the lack of reactive turn presence. Yes, everything having B2 is cool, but there are no AROs that are dangerous beyond that. You should try to get a Nikoul, Gao-Rael Sniper, Sukeul Missile, or some more indirect presence like a Draal with a Dazer, a Liberto, or even the Neurocinetics Auxiliar.
     
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  3. thirteenpixels

    thirteenpixels Well-Known Member

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    Yea, agree with most of ^^ but the biggest issue is this isn't a Spiral Corps list.
     
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  4. spears

    spears Well-Known Member

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    I think if I was rejiggling that it end up with this.

    SpiralCombine
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10 [​IMG]1
    SAKIEL Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 23)
    KAELTAR (Chain of Command) Light Shotgun, Flash Pulse + 2 SymbioMates / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 21)
    MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW. (0 | 13)
    GAO-RAEL Sniper Rifle / Pistol, CCW. (1 | 31)
    KRIIGEL Submachine Gun, Phero-Booster / Viral Pistol, Knife. (0 | 24)
    KAMAEL Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)
    CLIPSOS (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25)
    CHAKSA AUXILIAR (Baggage, Sensor) Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 10)
    CHAKSA AUXILIAR (Baggage, Sensor) Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 10)
    KERAIL PRECEPTOR Submachine Gun, Smoke Grenades + 1 Surda SymbioBeast / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 20)
    [​IMG] SURDA SYMBIOBEAST Pulzar / Viral CCW. (0 | 8)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]5 [​IMG]1 [​IMG]1
    MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW. (0 | 13)
    KAELTAR (Chain of Command) Light Shotgun, Flash Pulse + 2 SymbioMates / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 21)
    DRAAL (Minelayer) AP Marksman Rifle, D-Charges, Antipersonnel Mines / Viral Pistol, Knife. (1 | 40)
    CHAKSA AUXILIAR (Baggage, Sensor) Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 10)
    KERAIL PRECEPTOR Submachine Gun, Smoke Grenades + 1 Surda SymbioBeast / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 20)
    [​IMG] SURDA SYMBIOBEAST Pulzar / Viral CCW. (0 | 8)
    DIPLOMATIC DELEGATE (iKohl L1, Specialist Operative) Nanopulser, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)

    4.5 SWC | 298 Points

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  5. Ben Kenobi

    Ben Kenobi Well-Known Member

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    Doesn't work the Kriigel against the Gao Rael? Would pair him with a Sukeul to went against MSV Troops.
     
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  6. nehemiah

    nehemiah Well-Known Member

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    True, in the list provided Kriigel would probably work better paired with the Draal AP Marksman Rifle than the Gao-Rael.
    The Draal with SMG also works well with the Gao-Real Spitfire, if you keep the Gao-Rael within the Stratuscloud it can be a beast in the active turn against any units relying on smoke, camo, or ODD for defense.
     
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  7. MRPYM

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    Based on the feedback I have received, here os my new list:

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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10 [​IMG]1
    SUKEUL HMG, D-Charges / Pistol, Breaker Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 35)
    KAELTAR (Chain of Command) Light Shotgun, Flash Pulse + 2 SymbioMates / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 21)
    MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW. (0 | 13)
    GAO-RAEL Spitfire / Pistol, CCW. (1.5 | 33)
    KAMAEL Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)
    DRAAL (Minelayer) AP Marksman Rifle, D-Charges, Antipersonnel Mines / Viral Pistol, Knife. (1 | 40)
    CLIPSOS (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25)
    CHAKSA AUXILIAR (Baggage, Sensor) Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 10)
    CHAKSA AUXILIAR (Baggage, Sensor) Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 10)
    CHAKSA AUXILIAR (Neurocinetics, 360º Visor) HMG / Pistol, CCW. (1 | 25)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]4 [​IMG]1
    MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW. (0 | 13)
    KRIIGEL Submachine Gun, Phero-Booster / Viral Pistol, Knife. (0 | 24)
    KAELTAR (Chain of Command) Light Shotgun, Flash Pulse + 2 SymbioMates / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 21)
    TAAGMA Breaker Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)

    6 SWC | 298 Points

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  8. Aemaru

    Aemaru Well-Known Member

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    Mid range weapon are effectively rare and very expensive in triad :

    Spitfire :
    only neema can get one spitfire in triad.
    Then you have the reex you need a special fireteam to bring him in triad which can be interesting but profil become expensive and is not flexible.
    Rasail is not in triad but it s a very good profil.

    Ap marksman rifle :

    40pts draal. Worth it but still expensive for a dam13 weapon

    25 greif operator. Didn’t try it but looks cheap and usefull

    Pherobooster :

    A special interesting krigell profil if you have room for it

    Kiel san bring good range weapon redfury and mk12 for 53pts

    Conclusion

    Further than 40cm spiral corps has effectively very few and mostly costy options so you have to find other way to deal with this lack of assault weapons with high burst. when comparing with other factions it’s clear that this is the spiral corps intended weakness
    This fact make me think that this faction is not very suitable for beginners which should start with tohaa :P

    Last remark : there are many snipers able to handle long distance ARO correctly but not dwith high burst weapon
     
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  9. ChoTimberwolf

    ChoTimberwolf Artichoken Friend

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    Aemaru I just want to point out that reex can't go into a special fireteam in vanilla Tohaa, thats a mistake in army builder that hopefully gets fixed soon

    Edit: Oh wrote to soon should have finished reading ;) Spiral Corps has his own area in the forum so thought this is about Tohaa
     
  10. Aemaru

    Aemaru Well-Known Member

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    Oups
    It’s a bit hard not to melt both faction ^^’
     
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  11. ChoTimberwolf

    ChoTimberwolf Artichoken Friend

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    Yeah that got a lot of crossover and I really wish some of the SC only profiles were in Tohaa too...especially from the Tagma Schemer and the Triad options for the Kiel
     
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