Well I'm happy. I get them for ISS, Dahshat, Ikari, Druze, and vanilla YJ. AVA1 but has Fireteam Duo. So I'm guessing in some forces like maybe Dahshat they will be up to AVA2. They would be hard to have anyone that can keep up to wildcard with them. Edit: I just finally got to watch the new video and heard AVA2 for all of the sectorals except Ikari :( but at least they get AVA1 :) Bad: No smoke, not mimetisim, low PH, Irregular Good: Good BS, good weapons, cheap! Still has booty with re-roll. In Dashat and Ikari, I would take a Kum/desparado as well to bet the smoke thrower. I like the Red Fury profile due to being cheap with good BS and it's mobility.
I'll definately be using these in Druze and Ikari. I converted a motorized ABH right before N4, so now i get to use it!
In Tunguska, the Vostok FTO can keep up with 6-4 MOV, Mimetism, B12, Mk12 and ARM3. Would pair well with the lower range MBH. Also, any wildcard might be fine even if 4-4. After I'm done moving the duo, i'll break it by using the biker's irregular order.
I was just writing that up and you beat me to it. It might be a good thing to try out just to have some efficiency of orders but there's not many wildcards I'd do that with. Also, big thing here: Making a Duo means they loose both Irregular and Impetuous orders. Is it really worth it? You are turning 4 orders into 0 and must use a regular order from the rest of the force. Just as with the regular ABH Booty can change things but I think even more so on this. To me the best ones are MSV1, Mimetisim -6, ARM+4
Right I can't see anything you actually gain from having a Duo that makes it worth it. If moving in site of one ARO they need to choose which one to shoot at. That's about it.
As posted in the other thread: The Irregular orders are not lost. You use regular orders to catapult the bikes up the field together (regaining order economy from lost Impetuous there by moving 2 for the price of 1) then use their individual irregular orders to break the duo when they move to engage/trade for something. This is a strictly better version of the Jing/Monk duo (which kinda sucks ass). Unlike those two a pair of ABHBs are cheap, disposable, and extremely fast. You will not need the link past turn 1. The issue it will run into is varying value in different sectorials. It will be at its worst in say ISS, because the sectorial does not have a good long range solution to punch an opening for the bikes to go screaming into an opponent's DZ to cause havoc. Meanwhile Tunguska could well benefit from this by using a Grenzer MSR to punch a point of entry with a BS19 MSR for the bikes to move into and exploit. The design of these units are they are a straight up disposable weapon. By nature being regular would be a downside, as it would make them more expensive for no added value. These units should have attempted to trade up for a more expensive model by the end of your first turn, if they still live turn 2 that's strictly a bonus your expectation is that they should've gone out in a blaze of glory at some point during turn 1. EDIT: @Koni what happens when the biker rolls MOV 8-4?
Not duo in every faction, Ikari and all Vanillas. Plus it makes them cheaper which is kinda important to their role as a fast disposable missile.
They do loose Impetuous though right? So the Irregular is still there, they just can be used? The I-order could even be turned into Regular for others if needed? I still feel like it's a waste of the Impetuous order. I use it more often than not. However it's a new tool in the box that can be used in some situations.
I think it's more that there's no downside to being Impetuous on a motorcycle. Isn't every bike except the 112 Impetuous?
You regain the order efficiency from the fireteam. You lose 2 Impetuous orders, which you immediately get the value back for when you spend 2 regular orders moving the duo (which would've cost you 4 orders if they were unlinked). Lost 2 orders, got 2 back. From the 3rd order onwards you stand to be at a net gain. As I said earlier, the Irregular order should be spent when the bike is unleashed to trade on something. At that point there is no functional difference between it being a regular or irregular order as you don't want the second bike to follow the first into the same death, it will hit the next target with its own order so the duo is no longer needed and breaking has no functional downside. So by being irregular it's a straight benefit because the suicide bike cost fewer points. If the bikes wind up deployed in a positioned where they can't use the Impetuous because an ARO piece would engage and stop them, and require a longer range model to open the way for them first (like shooting a TR bot or something) then you are at an immediate net gain from the first order spent.
I still remain surprised that bike dismount rules actually carried through to N4, I really figured they'd be on the list of pruned things.
Definitely interesting, especially the Red Fury. Not sure if I'll be able to squueze MBH in Haqq with Zuleyka etc, but Druze will be happy to have someting like that. And it's great that my Izzat can get into the fight again ;) PozdRawiam / Greetings