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Morats vs order-spam lists

Discussion in 'Combined Army' started by Lesh', Aug 30, 2018.

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  1. Lesh'

    Lesh' Infinity LATVIA
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    Hello!

    How do you deal as Morats against rosters that have quite a lot of orders, like 17-20 ? Playing 11 orders with Kornak you're not allowed to lose even one model, as it seriously impacts your game, not to mention that you're sadly not always able to revive units due to shock or just bunch of hits. Lately I've noticed that I'm kind of forced into playing that style as well, but it means a lot of units that lack Morat rule. And playing two groups with, let's say, 12-13 units, puts you at a disadvantage if you're going first and second group having way too few orders to be effective. Of course there's also the fact that I still do mistakes during deployment and game itself, and play vs more experienced players, so there's a possibility that the answer is just right here and I missed it.

    Just want to hear your thoughts about it.
     
  2. Styx

    Styx Cat.IE~~

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    [​IMG] Morat Aggression Force
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10 [​IMG]1
    [​IMG] Bit Hacker (UPGRADE: Expel) Submachine Gun + Pitcher, Deployable Repeater + KISS! / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 19)
    [​IMG] [​IMG] KISS! Adhesive Launcher / Electric Pulse. (- | 4)
    [​IMG] MED-TECH OBSIDON MEDCHANOID Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 23)
    [​IMG] KRAKOT RENEGADE Submachine Gun, Chest Mine / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 15)
    [​IMG] ZERAT (Forward Observer) Boarding Shotgun, Grenades, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 22)
    [​IMG] E-DRONE Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 28)
    [​IMG] Q-DRONE HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26)
    [​IMG] IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    [​IMG] R-DRONE Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    [​IMG] MORAT Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 14)
    [​IMG] YAOGAT MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, CCW. (1.5 | 34)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]4 [​IMG]5 [​IMG]8
    [​IMG] OZNAT Vulkan Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 20)
    [​IMG] GAKI AP CCW. (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] GAKI AP CCW. (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] PRETA Chain Rifle / AP CCW. (0 | 7)
    [​IMG] PRETA Chain Rifle / AP CCW. (0 | 7)
    [​IMG] GAKI AP CCW. (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] RASYAT Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 28)
    [​IMG] DĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 14)
    [​IMG] DĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 14)

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    You can play dirty too. 1st att. piece; Q-drone assited fire and kill all cheap orders. Yaogat triying to carry up the game hunting the potencial menace. Bring the 1st turn the rasyat... and kill the LT or other big stuff if you see. Then, krakot and at the 2scnd/3rd turn, go rush with hungries. Bit hunting all enemy hackers and go to push buttons if possible, the same with dr.worm and the Zerat, you can push or accomplish the objectives and go to rush too or deploy some mines in your secured way or... wasting some orders to especulative grenades in to camo markers... that's the way on this list, nice pool orders to do some tricks.

    x2 Daturazis and the lone preta are your best sinergies for their impetuous orders and go to clean mines or discovering the ARO of camo markers.
     
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  3. DaRedOne

    DaRedOne Morat Warrior Philosopher
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    Well, it really depends who you're facing. If you're up against an army that can put out a number of durable models but still have loads and loads of orders, you might have trouble, but if you're facing something like Haqq you can just murder the everloving shit out of them.

    MAF Spammy List sample:

    [​IMG] Morat Aggression Force
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]6 [​IMG]4 [​IMG]6
    [​IMG] MED-TECH OBSIDON MEDCHANOID Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 23)
    [​IMG] SLAVE DRONE Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    [​IMG] SLAVE DRONE Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    [​IMG] RAICHO MULTI HMG + Heavy Shotgun, Mine Dispenser / . (2 | 94)
    [​IMG] [​IMG] RAICHO PILOT 2 Heavy Pistols, D-Charges, Knife. ()
    [​IMG] Q-DRONE HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26)
    [​IMG] KRAKOT RENEGADE 2 Chain Rifles, Grenades / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 14)
    [​IMG] OZNAT Vulkan Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 20)
    [​IMG] PRETA Chain Rifle / AP CCW. (0 | 7)
    [​IMG] GAKI AP CCW. (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] GAKI AP CCW. (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] GAKI AP CCW. (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]4 [​IMG]1
    [​IMG] SURYAT Lieutenant HMG + TinBot A (Deflector L1) / Pistol, CCW. (2 | 45)
    [​IMG] MORAT Hacker (EI Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 22)
    [​IMG] KRAKOT RENEGADE 2 Chain Rifles, Grenades / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 14)
    [​IMG] R-DRONE Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)

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    It's only 14 orders, but good for missions where you don't need specialists. You can use both the Q-Drone and the Raicho as bullies to kill off all those 1 wound models. Use assisted fire from the hacker on group 2 and try to use the Q-drone as a first turn troubleshooter, then hit them with the Raicho once they deal with your drone. It can be very fun and strong unless you run up against something like tohaa or an LI list full of TO camo.

    If you would prefer to play LI:

    [​IMG] Morat Aggression Force
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    [​IMG]10
    [​IMG] MORAT Hacker (EI Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 22)
    [​IMG] Bit Hacker (UPGRADE: Expel) Submachine Gun + Pitcher, Deployable Repeater + KISS! / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 19)
    [​IMG] [​IMG] KISS! Adhesive Launcher / Electric Pulse. (- | 4)
    [​IMG] MED-TECH OBSIDON MEDCHANOID Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 23)
    [​IMG] SLAVE DRONE Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    [​IMG] RAICHO MULTI HMG + Heavy Shotgun, Mine Dispenser / . (2 | 94)
    [​IMG] [​IMG] RAICHO PILOT 2 Heavy Pistols, D-Charges, Knife. ()
    [​IMG] Q-DRONE HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26)
    [​IMG] RODOK HMG / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 27)
    [​IMG] RODOK Paramedic (MediKit) Boarding Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 21)
    [​IMG] RODOK Boarding Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 19)
    [​IMG] RODOK Boarding Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 19)
    [​IMG] RODOK Lieutenant Combi Rifle, 2 Light Shotguns / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 26)

    5.5 SWC | 299 Points

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    Screw Kornak. I know you feel like you're losing out on his strategos, but you might not need it. WIth this list you have a truckload of mines to lay on the midfield, and you have two high burst weapons with shock (remember to use assisted fire with the Q-drone.). Also only 3 models are not morat in this list, so you can go full HAM.

    Anyways, I often find that against spammy lists I want to go first and kill as many of them as I can on my first turn. If I can kill off 4-5 models in the first turn alone I already made the difference a lot less impacting.
     
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  4. RobertShepherd

    RobertShepherd Antipodean midwit

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    Walter White voice:

    *I* am the one who spams.

    /Walter White voice
     
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  5. Maksimas

    Maksimas Heavy Infantry Addict Maxim

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    I mean... it's logical not to take Kornak if you already planned on using his Strategos order on another unit that has a good aggressive Lieutenant profile... such as a Sogarat?
     
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  6. derbrizon

    derbrizon Well-Known Member

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    Sogorat is beastly, but yeah the strategos is only truly useful if you don't wanna use another LT's order or you really want your LT in a linked team.
     
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