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Morat starter set: what to buy next?

Discussion in 'Combined Army' started by TraceTheKriken, Sep 6, 2018.

  1. TraceTheKriken

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    Hi everyone. I was thinking, how about planning what to buy next? My idea is to buy the vanguard "HW" set and the Hungries (just to reach 200pts and practice a little bit more). But then? i thought about suryat (haris with the raktorak) and doctor worm to use everyting from the starter , or alternatively sogorath with HMG, kornak and doctor worm.
    I play casually for now, so i don't need to have the most competitive list, and I still have to practice with hacking (I know the bit&kiss+ E-drone is a good combo, but i don't really know how to use them). I would like to know if the models that i want to buy are a good choice for a decent core army, or if there are good alternatives for the same price.
    Thx for your time :)
     
  2. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    If you have just the starter, be aware that you will need, want it or not, Dr Worm, since he is the *only* Doctor in the whole Combined Army (and the only engineer, and source of D-Charges in Onyx).

    Buying the hungries box means having an order farm (a fireteam Core you won't move at all, or only for melee targets). It also ties your only Fireteam Core option.

    I'd suggest getting the Rodoks box + Rodok blister as the next thing instead, they are much more usefull than the Vanguards (just remember, always pick the Paramedic as specialists here, never the Hacker), then Dr Worm and the CA's Remotes. This way, you can also fork into Onyx easily, and share units with vanilla with minimal expense.

    Another nice combo is the Daturazi box and the Yaogats, since you can combo the smoke & the MSV2 (in vanilla, the Daturazi tend to throw smoke for the Charontid), and you can make small transformations to one or two Daturazi to make them into Krakots.


    Simple: Bit & Kiss use Cybermask to advance, and she throws some repeaters. Kiss walks first, and if you pick an enemy fireteam, then you can use the lovely Exile program the CA's EVO has in exclusive. Also, the CA's is the only EVO with a weapon!
    Plus Bit is a really nice killer hacker.
     
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  3. TraceTheKriken

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    Wow thx i thought the vanguard set was the natural way to expand the starter. Well, if i must be sincere, I'm glad you suggested me to buy rodoks instead, because i really like them ;) (reminds me of bolts, but better)
    What is the rodok blister? you mean that one with the RL?
    Btw, yeah doctor worm was in the to buy list anyway, but it seems i'll have to take him earlier than expected.
    Thx a lot for the quick answer :)
     
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  4. DaRedOne

    DaRedOne Morat Warrior Philosopher
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    Mind you the rodoks don't have a Rocket Launcher, they have a missile launcher. Very different weapons.
    I really dig rodoks, I think they're one of the best fireteam core options the Morats have, and at the same token I think vanguards are one of the worst. If you don't mind proxying you can use your starter box Sogarat as an HMG lieutenant and he will do you well in casual games (he can work on some competitive lineups too).
    Hungries are really good as a turn 2 or turn 3 punch with the vulkan shotgun. Do not be afraid of sending them midfield once the oponent is out of long range threats.
     
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  5. TraceTheKriken

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    Sorry i confuse ML with RL often XD. If i want to expand with rodoks do you think an HMG and a ML in the same squad are a good thing? I mean isn't the HMG enough for long range combat? or with the ML we add some sort of redundancy (+ a LS) if the HMG dies?
    Btw i think in the end I'll go with (following xagroth suggestions) rodoks+ML blister+ Dr.worm+ CA drones (1 E drone, 1 Q drone). What do you think?
     
  6. DaRedOne

    DaRedOne Morat Warrior Philosopher
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    I agree with everything Xagroth said.

    However, keep in mind the HMG is for active turn shooting, while the ML is a reactive threat. Very few people will want to trade shots with a Burst 2, BS12-15, mimetism Missile launcher.
     
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  7. TraceTheKriken

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    Didn't think about it, that's really interesting. Well thx a lot again for all the useful advice :)
     
  8. itsuncertainwho

    itsuncertainwho Well-Known Member

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    I'm surprised the Ikadron blister hasn't shown up yet. Most people will tell you to buy two. I say buy one, then grab the second after you realize how useful the Ikadron is.

    With the E-drone, do not glue the dish in place on the back end. It can comfortably sit on there loose and that allows you to easily proxy M & R drones when not running the E. A light dab of gloss varnish hit with some dull cote will protect the underlying paint on the drones butt.
     
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  9. TraceTheKriken

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    Yeah i know they are really useful. I think i'll proxy them with 2 vanguard models for now if i want to play them.

    Thx this will help :)
     
  10. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    While this is true, a lot of Morat players disdain the Ikadrons, and having repeaters might be a disadvantage if you carry a single hacker (even if it's Bit). Plus, Morat cannot use the Imetrons, so it's wasted money at first ("non economical decision").

    Frankly, there is little need to do this: First, there are no problem to proxy one as another, and second the most used Drones are the EVO and the Total Reaction.
     
  11. derbrizon

    derbrizon Well-Known Member

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    Daturazi are a critical part of MAF, imo. It's hard to not take them. They really are some of the best warbands in the game.

    The Starter comes with an Oznat - the Hungries are a great addition to that. Proxy the vanguard as Yaogat, along with proxying the Raktorak as a Rasyat (which is 90% of what i do with the Raktorak models)

    The starter, Hungries Box, Dr Worm, and REMs box lets you make this with those proxies. It uses 100% of the models you bought, with 4 of them being proxies:

    [​IMG] Morat Aggression Force
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]6 [​IMG]4 [​IMG]5
    [​IMG] OZNAT Vulkan Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 20)
    [​IMG] GAKI AP CCW. (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] GAKI AP CCW. (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] PRETA Chain Rifle / AP CCW. (0 | 7)
    [​IMG] PRETA Chain Rifle / AP CCW. (0 | 7)
    [​IMG] SOGARAT Lieutenant AP HMG / Pistol, AP CCW. (2 | 56)
    [​IMG] YAOGAT Spitfire / Pistol, CCW. (1.5 | 32)
    [​IMG] YAOGAT (Fireteam: Haris) Combi Rifle + Panzerfaust / Pistol, CCW. (0.5 | 30)
    [​IMG] YAOGAT Hacker (EI Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Grenades / Pistol, CCW. (0.5 | 36)
    [​IMG] MED-TECH OBSIDON MEDCHANOID Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 23)
    [​IMG] SLAVE DRONE Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    [​IMG] SLAVE DRONE Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]3
    [​IMG] Q-DRONE Plasma Rifle / Electric Pulse. (1 | 25)
    [​IMG] M-DRONE Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 17)
    [​IMG] RASYAT Combi Rifle + E/Mitter, D-Charges, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 31)

    5.5 SWC | 298 Points

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    Xagroth suggested the Hungries are an order farm. I couldn't disagree more - although they are useful in that rule. Used carefully, they're one of the best tools in the game to trade low-point models for high point targets. I've killed TAGs with a Gaki before.
     
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  12. Cthulhu363

    Cthulhu363 May his passage cleanse the world.

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    Raicho ;-)
     
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  13. DaRedOne

    DaRedOne Morat Warrior Philosopher
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    I disagree with this. I find Daturazi do be mostly supplanted by Krakots in the "defend the midfield and from skirmishers/camo/warbands"role, and by hungries+oznat in the "lay down smoke cover"department.

    I like daturazi in vanilla combine as escorts for a beefy aspect, but in MAF I find myself leaving them on the box more often than not. However, new players should really avoid any impetuous troop as they require a lot of good positioning to be used correctly, and I've seen many new players grow disdainful of impetuous models because they haven't grasped movement and positioning yet.
     
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  14. derbrizon

    derbrizon Well-Known Member

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    The daturazi as a single unit is insanely versatile. I usually let them autopilot up the board until I need them for smoke. 14 points each lets you spread them around as needed, while the Hungries link takes ups more spots, the Core link, and wont be as spread out/versatile for smoking paths when you need. In MAF 1 Daturazi+1Yaogat is a great combo. 1Daturazi+1Anything, actually, is a great combo. You can't flank either side of a Core of Rodok, or Vanguard with Hungries like you can the Daturazi. :D

    But yeah, Impetuous+new player is notsogood sometimes. I've caught a couple newer guys out with a ML and an Impetuous troop, killing lots of stuff that coudn't avoid the hit.
     
  15. TraceTheKriken

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    @derbrizon wow I like this option too: "Cheap" and direct. Well Dr.worm and the CA drones are a must have anyway as i can see. I don't know maybe i'll go with pretas and gakis, but at the same time i found a rodok squad+ ML at the same price as the hungries...
    Worst case scenario i'll buy both of them XD
     
  16. TraceTheKriken

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    Personally I don't like impetuous too much right now. i know that a link team loses impetuous state (this is why i'll take the hungries), but for now i want to avoid Daturazi (smoke would be great, but it's better if i learn to move in conventional ways first XD)
     
  17. DaRedOne

    DaRedOne Morat Warrior Philosopher
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    Oznat vulkan shotty has smoke grenades and Oznat combi rifle has a smoke launcher, so you don't lose smoke when using hungries.
     
  18. TraceTheKriken

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    So if, for example, i use my oznat to make a path of smoke for and with the gakis/pretas, and then i follow them up with a yaogat trio and shoot from one decent positioned fog curtain, that would have a similar result as if I made a path of smoke with Daturazis right?
     
  19. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    Correct, the Onzat also benefits from Fireteam bonuses so she can be dropping burst 2 smoke grenades at effective PH19 within 8" (PH13, +3 for range, +3 for 5 member team) with the shotgun version.

    If you wanted a little flexibility and redundancy you could have both Oznats in the team, I've not seen it tried though.
     
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  20. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    For a new player, getting into melee can be... a mess. I lost about half an hour in a turn once (during a tournament, when paired games were possible. It was Morat + Morat Vs Aleph + ASS), and the Morat Player with the Gakis Core (and a Raicho, that died ignominiously to my Mk4 HRL by dint of a critical and failing 3 ARM saves in a row... in the Morat active turn 1) simply was unsure about melee rules, refusing to believe how the greeks player was telling him how it worked (no, there were no traps, it was just that he had jumped into a bad position, and was an ouch).
     
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