MO crusade lists for Killing oriented missions

You need de Fersen for what exactly ?

 

Pretty sure De Fersen has access to the Trinity Hacking Program and has good WIP and BTS, so... I assume he's there to kill Hackers.

 

Swap De Fersen for KotHS CoC Spitfire to provide slight cushion for when you lose Joan + good firepower and Specialist. Drop the Mulebot and Pathfinder (the former of which offers very little to an army with a solo Remote and is very expensive, the latter of which isn’t needed in kill missions and besides, after some tweaking you will have access to 4 specialists anyway) and replace with a Knight Hospitaller Boarding shotgun which will help add close range strength to your core at a low cost. Then drop the Warcor and use the left over points for a vanilla Order Sergeant to help fill out your Fireteams during mid game when you break up your Core in favor of two Harises. Depending on my Math you may need to downgrade Joan to AP... regardless I don’t think her fireteam is gonna have any trouble in melee.

 

Santiago with Deflector and KHD already does this exceptionally well so that’s a huge overlap for 56 points.

 

Yes like that, except I dropped Joan to AP CCW, dropped the Warcor and Fugazi, and plugged in an Order Sergeant. I don’t think remotes doing enough in the army. You still have the flash pulse from Tech Bee if needed to stop someone. Konstantinos may be something you want to consider because Camo is a problem that’s going to be hard for this army to deal with. He can also replace the basic Order Sergants role as Fireteam filler. So if you downgraded the KotHS to Konstantinos and dropped the Order sergeant you’d have 40 points and 3 SWC to play around with, but you wouldn’t have any LoL cushion, and you wouldn’t have the same Firepower as that HI spitfire.

 

I’m thinking two OS with HRL + Flamethrower Aux for DZ defense and frying vis mods. But really it’s all up to you imagination.

 

I managed to win a tournament yesterday (anihilation, supplies and Frontline) with this list.


Military Orders
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8 2
JOAN OF ARC Lieutenant MULTI Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, DA CCW. (+1 | 50)
KNIGHT HOSPITALLER HMG / Pistol, DA CCW. (2 | 39)
KNIGHT HOSPITALLER HMG / Pistol, DA CCW. (2 | 39)
KNIGHT HOSPITALLER Doctor (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 35)
KNIGHT OF SANTIAGO Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, D-Charges + 1 TinBot A (Deflector L1) / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 38)
TECH-BEE (Remote Assistant Level 1, Specialist Operative) Flash Pulse / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
WARCOR (Aerocam) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 3)
MACHINIST (Father-Engineer) Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15)
PALBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
SPEC. SERGEANT Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 21)
KNIGHT OF THE HOLY SEPULCHRE (Chain of Command) Breaker Combi Rifle / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 52)

4.5 SWC | 300 Points

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My Joan tend to be isolated and inmobilized in the 1st turno, that's because now i always put a machinist and a Sepulchre. Oh, and hacker Sergeant for Fairydust. Tweaking the list a bit, i can change the Breaker Sepulchre for Spitfire

 

The Knight Hospitaller with KHD and Deflector isn’t enough to defend Joan vs hackers?

 

VaulSC, the youtuber made some very nice battrep usinf the crusade team. He emphasizes that when playing this team you should expect to put most or all your order on the team in one devastating alpha strike. Some the rzst of the list should be here to support the team without needing too much order. That is the case with the TO sergent MSR. You can play two for increased efficiency.

Here is a list I like :

Military Orders──────────────────────────────────────────────────8 2 DART Submachine Gun, Viral Tactical Bow, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon, Knife. (0 | 34) SPEC. SERGEANT (CH: TO Camouflage, Infiltration) MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 33) SPEC. SERGEANT (CH: TO Camouflage, Infiltration) MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 33) WARCOR (Aerocam) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 3) TECH-BEE (Remote Assistant Level 1, Specialist Operative) Flash Pulse / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5) JOAN OF ARC Lieutenant MULTI Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, AP CCW. (+1 | 49) KNIGHT HOSPITALLER HMG / Pistol, DA CCW. (2 | 39) KNIGHT HOSPITALLER Doctor (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 35) KNIGHT OF SANTIAGO Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, D-Charges + 1 TinBot A (Deflector L1) / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 38) KNIGHT HOSPITALLER Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 31) 5 SWC | 300 PointsOpen in Infinity Army

Mecano is going to use too many orders for it to be useful imho. And you won't avoid one turn with LoL. It's better to shoot anything trying to isolate you with TO snipers (for ex apprpchappr em grenade launcher). And put the khd forward to make it hard hacking Joan without hacking him.

I like the idea to put the sepulchre CoC to avoid too much damage if isolated. I would give him Spitfire so that he can also attavk with more efficiency. He can also deal with minelayers with its echos.

 

Maybe in active turn. But in reactive, if i attack the enemy hacker with the santiago, he can attack Joan for free, so i usually end declaring reset.

About the sepulchre, i disguise him as a Multi Rifle Black Friar and deploy near the pulse flash guys.

2 HMG? Yes. If one got down, i still have another good killer. And they are my only ARO pieces, so...

If you feel safe enough, you can substitute the OS and the palbot for Spitfire Bulleteer

 

So what exactly then is a job of Santiago KHD ?

You might also want to run a dice calculator on Fersen.

 

More or less this.

 

De Fersen is bad at killing enemy hackers and is quite vulnerable to KHD himself. Hes still a terrible model that was not fixed at all. Hes not worth taking when the Santiago KHD exist. I wish they kept De Fersen as a normal hacker.

 

While I'm the one (of?) people who bashed Fersen change from HD->AHD+Trinity I don't think that the reverse would be a good thing now.

While it seems that "easiest" way of "fixing" him would be changing Trinity to Redrum, it would actually probably made him a tad bit "too" good (as Redrum atm. is go to program for KHD if they do not enjoy Maestro upgrade), and putting him too close (or even above) Asura.

He needs just a tiny bit of "something" to be really different and worth (from Santiago KHD+Tinbot) similar to new Asura's LT Lv2.

I could think about following:

• Adding Tinbot. It's a little bit "lazy" and too similar to Santiago KHD+Tinbot one. While the Santiago would still be better at killing enemy hackers (Redrum+firewall bypass) Fersen would not be that easy prey to any other (even low tier) KHDs.
  
• Adding single use "hacking shield". Think of symbio-mate but only against single hacking (and only hacking) attack. Hardly makes him invulnerable, just more "expensive" to kill.
• Add a SS2 to him. Problem is that's a very expensive skill which would further inflate his (high) price. Main usage would still be as a single piece, as otherwise it would not do anything for him running in big link.
• NCO. Rather limited in MO, and also in Vanilla. Probably MO/Vanialla want to use Lt order (or on native Fersen Lt). Probably won't be needed in vanilla PanO due to agresive Lts and new great Bolt CoC.
• Throw a Blackwater upgrade ? It doesn't increase his offensive capabilites, just again makes him just tad bit more "sturdy" when facing enemy KHDs (without making him as good as new Deva AHD!) I think that's a best/most balanced option for good old Fersen.

Just from the "fluff" point I wished that his "special" Templar sword (which CB didn't even bother to make special model with new sculp!) would force hackable victims a BTS roll and if failed made IMM1/2. It's hardly a balance/powerlevel play, it's just a nice "odd/forbidden AI artifact sword". (it still would be weaker than actual E/M)

In all: Fersen needs tad bit of love.

 

You know that your first lists were illegal due to the overdrawn SWC?

 

No. Joan Lt grants you an extra 1 SWC, so you can use 7 SWC for a Mid Tier list