Bolded part relevant. I raise this as a question as obviously some of the best hackers in the game now frequently don't have a KHD despite carrying the only deadly hacking program Trinity. Steel Phalanx just added an EVO hacker with Trinity for example. What is the purpose of this rule? KHDs don't do anything now, in fact hacking devices in general don't mean anything you can straight up use hacking programs without having a hacking device of any type. Was this supposed to be that models with Trinity can't have Data Erasure? @HellLois @Blindside @CoveredInFish
No, models with a Killer Hacking Device. EVO + Trinity is not a KHD. It's an EVO with a bonus program.
Yes I understand the RAW, the point is why? If it was a balance issue for KHDs carrying them, what's the reasoning? If having a KHD plus the Erasure program is OP, why isn't it OP on any other trooper also carrying the Trinity program? Mary can't carry the marker with her KHD Trinity (AP) but Jazz can carry it with her HD Trinity (+1 damage)? What logic was used to come up with this rule? Was this mission designed in N3 when carrying a KHD actually meant something?
Hazarding a guess; the mission was written during N3 when KHDs were everywhere and other hackers nowhere. In N4, I can still see a reason to exclude KHDs simply because they don't cost SWC, but it's flimsier.
Mary is a fortunate sacrifice that I'm willing to make, Zoe is an unfortunate benefit I'm forced to concede -.-;; But seriously, Mary is one of the best hackers in game and even if you won't find a use for her as Überhacker, she'll have plenty of use in a list so it shouldn't be nearly as big of an issue for the Nomad/Tunguska player as the fact that your hackers suck as Ariadna is.
It’s fine, she’s already Mary Problems, Tactical Überhacker so clearly just innately benefits from the Überhacker rules.
I suspect it's because they tend to be the cheapest and often fastest choices, and are marker states that ignore mines, which make defending even more difficult. It's also not a thing a KHD is built to do, they're designed to shut down hackers, not to break into servers. Edit: can't enter marker state, but my point still stands, they wanted to slow the game down, and KHD aren't meant for espionage.
Well I mean they have to work against REM based hackers too so they've gotta attack software as well as brains.
Good catch, but KHD still aren't meant for espionage missions, they're meant for hacking countermeasures.
Except when they are like Mary who can't carry the program? Or when they do any of the brain scan classifieds or other such things.
Hey mates, most of you already guessed right! This mission was designed in N3, where you only saw khds everywhere. The idea was to boost fluff and balancewise all other HDs, also to give you another angle to solve the mission instead of the typical "slay, destroy, smash" stuff I think it was a design choice that it was changed into "Players are not allowed to choose Hackers with Killer Hacking Devices" cause our formulation was "Killer Hacking Devices can not support this program" to make clear that all other devices can do it, also mary back in the days... cause she IS an uberhacker
So what are your thoughts on how it stands right now with N4? Say with Mary not being able to carry it, but Jazz can despite both functionally carrying an identical program list for this mission. Would you change it to No Trinity carriers? Leave it? Or scrap the rule entirely? Personally I don't really see a reason for it to exist anymore as a rule, the number of KHDs I see are far outnumbered by HD or HD+.
I would still go with our last formulation "Killer Hacking Devices can not support this program" Cause KHD Profiles are still 0 swc, still cheaper, still on different loadouts/profiles and are still different devices. Every other HD, despite if it got upgrade programs like trinity or not, should be allowed to carry it. Also Mary, cause she also wears a normal HD, next to her KHD, she is an unique exception which benefits from it(and also pays the extra costs of 2 devices) But there is a reason why CB decided to change it like this and at this moment right now i am more proud of seeing our mission in the its document than thinking about that change, tbh :-) Maybe @HellLois could clear it up
The recently (re)landed Tohaa army would like to ask for an option to those days when the Specops extra is not allowed, and, well... some don't have Kamael models (and the other hacking option in the faction is Aelis Keesan, a KHD)... Personally I would simply EM the servers to oblivion, but....
@Mahtamori was arguing that the reason it was limited to KHDs was to make it "Hackers with an SWC cost". In which case neither Mary nor Zoe would meet that intent.
