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MAF: Polishing the Turd

Discussion in 'Combined Army' started by itsuncertainwho, Dec 1, 2018.

  1. itsuncertainwho

    itsuncertainwho Well-Known Member

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    The update isn't great, nor is it bad. It just is. To make the best of what we have:

    What is the first new list you are going to try?


    [​IMG] 14 in 10
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    [​IMG]10
    [​IMG] SURYAT (Tactical Awareness) HMG + TinBot A (Deflector L1) / Pistol, CCW. (2 | 48)
    [​IMG] ANYAT K1 Combi Rifle, Chain-colt, Smoke Grenades, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25)
    [​IMG] MORAT (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15)
    [​IMG] MORAT (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15)
    [​IMG] MORAT Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
    [​IMG] KORNAK Lieutenant Mk12, Light Flamethrower / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 41)
    [​IMG] SURYAT (Tactical Awareness) HMG + TinBot A (Deflector L1) / Pistol, CCW. (2 | 48)
    [​IMG] RAKTORAK Vulkan Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 22)
    [​IMG] SURYAT (Tactical Awareness) HMG + TinBot A (Deflector L1) / Pistol, CCW. (2 | 48)
    [​IMG] RAKTORAK Vulkan Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 22)

    6 SWC | 300 Points

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    I have 14 orders in a Limited Insertion list. No Hacker or Engineer but three Specialists, two FO's, and a Medic. Three fireteams, a Core, Haris, and Duo each with one order and 11 to spread around. Tinbots to help the HI and template wielding bodyguards for each..
     
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  2. derbrizon

    derbrizon Well-Known Member

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    Tactical awareness is really awesome but the Suryat in a vanguard link is really gonna make the hrl+lsg shine.

    Also if the vanguard get canned there's the possibility of reforming into a Suryat core.

    There's not a lot of tools here besides just.. lots of orders. MAF has trouble getting more than a couple tools in with their heavies.

    I posted this in another thread:
    [​IMG] 3HI
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    [​IMG]10 [​IMG]1
    [​IMG] SOGARAT (Full Auto L2) Feuerbach / Assault Pistol, AP CCW. (1.5 | 67)
    [​IMG] RAKTORAK Combi Rifle + Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 23)
    [​IMG] SURYAT (Tactical Awareness) HMG + TinBot A (Deflector L1) / Pistol, CCW. (2 | 48)
    [​IMG] SURYAT Heavy Rocket Launcher, Light Shotgun / Pistol, CCW. (2 | 39)
    [​IMG] RAKTORAK (NCO) Vulkan Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 24)
    [​IMG] MORAT (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15)
    [​IMG] MORAT (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15)
    [​IMG] ANYAT K1 Combi Rifle, Chain-colt, Smoke Grenades, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25)
    [​IMG] DĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 14)
    [​IMG] YAOGAT Lieutenant Combi Rifle + Panzerfaust / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 29)

    5.5 SWC | 299 Points

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    I also tinkered my way into this:
    [​IMG] Raich
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]8 [​IMG]2 [​IMG]4
    [​IMG] RAICHO MULTI HMG + Heavy Shotgun, Mine Dispenser / . (2 | 94)
    [​IMG] [​IMG] RAICHO PILOT 2 Heavy Pistols, D-Charges, Knife. ()
    [​IMG] KURGAT (Fireteam: Haris) Operative Group) Mk12, D-Charges, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 24)
    [​IMG] KURGAT (Operative Group) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 17)
    [​IMG] RAKTORAK (NCO) Vulkan Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 24)
    [​IMG] YAOGAT Lieutenant Combi Rifle + Panzerfaust / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 29)
    [​IMG] RAKTORAK Red Fury / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 26)
    [​IMG] OZNAT Combi Rifle + Light Smoke Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 18)
    [​IMG] OZNAT Vulkan Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 20)
    [​IMG] PRETA Chain Rifle / AP CCW. (0 | 7)
    [​IMG] GAKI AP CCW. (0 | 4)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]3
    [​IMG] IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    [​IMG] IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    [​IMG] M-DRONE Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 17)

    4 SWC | 298 Points

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  3. Nicklz

    Nicklz Well-Known Member

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    Can someone have a go at the Daturazi Raktorak Core ? It's one of the new things I'm most excited about, but can't get a satisfactory list from it. It's hard to squeeze in long range firepower after the essentials. And Lt choice is not easier now.
     
  4. RobertShepherd

    RobertShepherd Brisk antipodean

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    Something like this is a maybe. If your meta has dense enough tables you could also just go a second group with the Zerat sync preta and a load of free roaming hungries and even more daturazi and just throw caution to the wind.

    Morat Aggression Force
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10 [​IMG]5
    RAKTORAK Red Fury / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 26)
    DĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 14)
    DĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 14)
    DĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 14)
    DĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 14)
    DĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 14)
    YAOGAT Lieutenant Combi Rifle + Panzerfaust / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 29)
    YAOGAT Spitfire / Pistol, CCW. (1.5 | 32)
    E-DRONE Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 28)
    MED-TECH OBSIDON MEDCHANOID Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 23)
    SLAVE DRONE Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]6 [​IMG]2
    Q-DRONE HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26)
    M-DRONE Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 17)
    IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    R-DRONE Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    KRAKOT RENEGADE Submachine Gun, Chest Mine / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 15)
    KRAKOT RENEGADE 2 Chain Rifles, Grenades / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 14)

    4 SWC | 300 Points

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  5. locksmith

    locksmith comlog active

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    I find it hilarious that someone would build a 10-model list with 14 orders and say it's due to an update that's 'not good or bad'. Seems pretty good to me.
     
  6. m_kahler

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    I'd build it around a Yaogat Haris, then customize the rest of the list to the mission you're playing. Haris Yaogat sniper shooting through smoke hits really, really hard, and a Q-Drone with hacker support isn't too far behind. That's usually more than enough shooting to get your core link down field, and both of those units work well on ARO duty too.

    Here's kind of a generalist list for ITS that I've been looking at:

    Morat Aggression Force
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10 [​IMG]3
    RAKTORAK Red Fury / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 26)
    RAKTORAK (NCO) Vulkan Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 24)
    DĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 14)
    DĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 14)
    DĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 14)
    YAOGAT (Fireteam: Haris) Combi Rifle + Panzerfaust / Pistol, CCW. (0.5 | 30)
    YAOGAT MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, CCW. (1.5 | 34)
    YAOGAT Lieutenant Combi Rifle + Panzerfaust / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 29)
    ZERAT (Forward Observer) Boarding Shotgun, Grenades, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 22)
    Q-DRONE HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]4 [​IMG]1 [​IMG]1
    MORAT Hacker (EI Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 22)
    MED-TECH OBSIDON MEDCHANOID Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 23)
    IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    GAKI AP CCW. (0 | 4)

    4.5 SWC | 300 Points

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  7. derbrizon

    derbrizon Well-Known Member

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    [​IMG] Vanguard datz
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10 [​IMG]4
    [​IMG] SURYAT Lieutenant HMG + TinBot A (Deflector L1) / Pistol, CCW. (2 | 45)
    [​IMG] MORAT (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15)
    [​IMG] MORAT Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
    [​IMG] MORAT Hacker (EI Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 22)
    [​IMG] RAKTORAK Red Fury / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 26)
    [​IMG] DĀTURAZI Boarding Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 20)
    [​IMG] DĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 14)
    [​IMG] DĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 14)
    [​IMG] DĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 14)
    [​IMG] R-DRONE Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]5
    [​IMG] IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    [​IMG] IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    [​IMG] YAOGAT (Fireteam: Haris) Combi Rifle + Panzerfaust / Pistol, CCW. (0.5 | 30)
    [​IMG] YAOGAT MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, CCW. (1.5 | 34)
    [​IMG] RAKTORAK (NCO) Vulkan Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 24)

    5.5 SWC | 300 Points

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    This let's you run daturazi as warbands or link. You can swap to a vanguard core to push your LT with bs16 if you want, and the yaogat team can push buttons or do the long-range stuff. All in all relatively versatile.

    Hungry link opens up some more options… but isn't as versatile in link selection:

    [​IMG] Vanguard hungries
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]8 [​IMG]2 [​IMG]4
    [​IMG] SURYAT Lieutenant HMG + TinBot A (Deflector L1) / Pistol, CCW. (2 | 45)
    [​IMG] MORAT (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15)
    [​IMG] MORAT (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15)
    [​IMG] MORAT Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
    [​IMG] RAKTORAK Red Fury / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 26)
    [​IMG] OZNAT Vulkan Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 20)
    [​IMG] OZNAT Combi Rifle + Light Smoke Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 18)
    [​IMG] PRETA Chain Rifle / AP CCW. (0 | 7)
    [​IMG] GAKI AP CCW. (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] E-DRONE Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 28)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]5
    [​IMG] IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    [​IMG] IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    [​IMG] YAOGAT (Fireteam: Haris) Combi Rifle + Panzerfaust / Pistol, CCW. (0.5 | 30)
    [​IMG] YAOGAT MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, CCW. (1.5 | 34)
    [​IMG] RAKTORAK (NCO) Vulkan Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 24)

    5.5 SWC | 300 Points

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  8. derbrizon

    derbrizon Well-Known Member

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    And since someone said datz and rodok:

    [​IMG] Otherstudd
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10 [​IMG]4
    [​IMG] RAKTORAK (NCO) Vulkan Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 24)
    [​IMG] DĀTURAZI Combi Rifle + Smoke Light Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0.5 | 21)
    [​IMG] DĀTURAZI Boarding Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 20)
    [​IMG] DĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 14)
    [​IMG] DĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 14)
    [​IMG] YAOGAT Lieutenant Combi Rifle + Panzerfaust / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 29)
    [​IMG] YAOGAT Spitfire / Pistol, CCW. (1.5 | 32)
    [​IMG] IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    [​IMG] IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    [​IMG] E-DRONE Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 28)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]4
    [​IMG] RODOK HMG / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 27)
    [​IMG] RODOK (Fireteam: Haris) Combi Rifle, 2 Light Shotguns / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 27)
    [​IMG] RODOK Hacker (EI Killer Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 22)
    [​IMG] ZERAT (Forward Observer) Boarding Shotgun, Grenades, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 22)

    4.5 SWC | 298 Points

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    Quite a lot of good shooters in various places.

    The use of Suryat and sogorat has expanded, but not by nearly as much as raktorak, hungriest, and daturazi. I desperately want more than one Suryat in the core link. MO knights got me jealous.
     
  9. Philamilapeed

    Philamilapeed Totally not a Speculo
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    Screenshot_2018-12-01-18-56-13.png

    I handily won a game of Frostbyte using this list (9-2) last night. The new Sogorat gets so much work done at any range, often switching between FB and Assault Pistol depending on his target. The Suryat in the Vanguard link also works really well
     
  10. Death

    Death Well-Known Member

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    I honestly think MAF is a more viable army now. The update was small but important. 1 HI + 4 LI is a very optimal fireteam and Sogarat Full Auto finally brings the firepower that the 1 dimensional MAF need. Theres also the more functional Daturazi + Raktorak w/ Yaogat Haris to consider. It does bring a lot of smoke to exploit with your Yaogats.

    All I recommend is trying to squeeze in our Med-Tech because he is still the best specialist the morats have got.
     
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  11. RobertShepherd

    RobertShepherd Brisk antipodean

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    Have had a chance now to try out a few of the modules I was interested in from the MAF update.

    Sogorat with full auto: a star performer so far, commensurate with the price. The assault pistol is as good as I'd hoped. I still have a 100% failure rate with automedikits but I'm prepared to forgive it just for access to another model that can reliably engage the long lanes. The closest thing to a disadvantage the Sogorat has is that he can't be your lieutenant, which means you're still looking for a good Lt model elsewhere. Makes an excellent downgrade from a Riacho too, if you really need to shave the points.

    Hungries link with Raktorak with Red Fury: has performed well. BS15 B5 is another excellent gun, although the Raktorak does blow the cost of the link out substantially and I've had a couple games now where I've over-extended and the link has been broken and I've had to deal with the sudden drop in regular orders in subsequent turns. It feels like a fair weakness relative to the rest of the unit, which to be honest is still providing a good gun, good smoke and a serviceable-by-MAF-standards five regular orders for 56pts (plus an extra 3pts for every gaki you upgrade to a preta).

    Oznat Stalker Unit: the underperformer so far. I haven't yet had that game where the sensor provides something I can't accomplish with any other tool, and her price compared to other comparable units is really causing issues. I don't tend to find myself with middle gears when it comes to warbands; they either operate off very few orders just reaching the midfield for free to spring traps and serve as distractions, or else go whole hog and reach the enemy DZ for some devastating result. So far the Oznat has been a waste to use on the former and just a little ineffectual at the latter because her cost sucks orders out of the list otherwise. To be honest, after the last game with her I also made myself sad by comparing her to a Tohaa Precoptor with two Surdabeasts. (don't go make that comparison yourself unless you want to feel a little depressed afterward). I'll keep trying her out looking for the niche but I think she'll probably be left at home more often than not.

    Other things on the list to try: the new core vanguard link (when the couple extra models I need for it arrive), a double Riacho list, and the Rodok haris (in Onyx first).
     
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  12. Lesh'

    Lesh' MAFter of Apes
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    Can you please share the roster?
     
  13. RobertShepherd

    RobertShepherd Brisk antipodean

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    It's been several games trying out different elements, and and these lists are thoroughly experimental. Still, as follows:


    This was a fairly janky list built mostly to see if I could put one of every drone in and maybe get something happening with guided fire. It didn't happen, but the Raktorak and Oznat team pushed a flank against a bakunin list very effectively.

    Alphabet Soup
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]7 [​IMG]3 [​IMG]5
    OZNAT Combi Rifle + Light Smoke Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 18)
    RAKTORAK Red Fury / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 26)
    PRETA Chain Rifle / AP CCW. (0 | 7)
    PRETA Chain Rifle / AP CCW. (0 | 7)
    GAKI AP CCW. (0 | 4)
    Q-DRONE HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26)
    KRAKOT RENEGADE 2 Chain Rifles, Grenades / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 14)
    E-DRONE Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 28)
    IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    M-DRONE Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 17)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]8 [​IMG]2
    YAOGAT Lieutenant Combi Rifle + Panzerfaust / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 29)
    YAOGAT Spitfire / Pistol, CCW. (1.5 | 32)
    IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    R-DRONE Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    T-DRONE Smart Missile Launcher / Electric Pulse. (1.5 | 18)
    DĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 14)
    DĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 14)
    KURGAT (Operative Group) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 17)
    SLAVE DRONE Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)

    5.5 SWC | 300 Points

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    This was the first draft of my list built to try out all the elements above. Two games, against Ikari and Military Orders and as noted the Oznat Stalker is underperforming but I'm fairly happy with the other elements.

    Femmes Fatale (Suryat) v1.0
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]7 [​IMG]3 [​IMG]6
    OZNAT Combi Rifle + Light Smoke Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 18)
    RAKTORAK Red Fury / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 26)
    PRETA Chain Rifle / AP CCW. (0 | 7)
    GAKI AP CCW. (0 | 4)
    GAKI AP CCW. (0 | 4)
    SOGARAT (Full Auto L2) Feuerbach / Assault Pistol, AP CCW. (1.5 | 67)
    KURGAT (Operative Group) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 17)
    KRAKOT RENEGADE 2 Chain Rifles, Grenades / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 14)
    KRAKOT RENEGADE Submachine Gun, Chest Mine / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 15)
    YAOGAT Lieutenant Combi Rifle + Panzerfaust / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 29)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]5 [​IMG]1 [​IMG]2
    OZNAT Stalker Unit (Sensor) Vulkan Shotgun, Smoke Grenades + 1 Sync Preta / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 29)
    [​IMG] SYNC PRETA Chain Rifle / AP CCW. (0 | 8)
    GAKI AP CCW. (0 | 4)
    Q-DRONE HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26)
    IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    MORAT Hacker (EI Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 22)

    4 SWC | 300 Points

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    This is the next iteration of the same list, removing the Stalker Unit and replacing it with a more robust presence including a full Preta presence in the link. I'm also considering trying to fit an E-Drone for Teampro to keep the Oznat link alive through multiple waves of assault, but that might be something for a future list with Rasyats or something.

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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]6 [​IMG]4 [​IMG]6
    OZNAT Combi Rifle + Light Smoke Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 18)
    RAKTORAK Red Fury / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 26)
    PRETA Chain Rifle / AP CCW. (0 | 7)
    PRETA Chain Rifle / AP CCW. (0 | 7)
    PRETA Chain Rifle / AP CCW. (0 | 7)
    SOGARAT (Full Auto L2) Feuerbach / Assault Pistol, AP CCW. (1.5 | 67)
    KURGAT (Operative Group) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 17)
    DĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 14)
    R-DRONE Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    GAKI AP CCW. (0 | 4)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]7 [​IMG]2
    YAOGAT Lieutenant Combi Rifle + Panzerfaust / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 29)
    Q-DRONE HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26)
    IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    MORAT Hacker (EI Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 22)
    KRAKOT RENEGADE Submachine Gun, Chest Mine / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 15)
    KRAKOT RENEGADE Submachine Gun, Chest Mine / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 15)

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    Not show above is a Kornak link game that was really nothing new. Kornak's squad hasn't changed and none of the new profiles or teams especially impact it, and is still basically pretty good.
     
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    Something to note about the lists with the Sogorat and Morat hacker; if you feel like it you can just straight swap these two models for a baseline Riacho with no other changes.
     
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    *boring Raicho
     
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    I really dont understand at all the Oznat with sensor. Morats are not very know for their cheap cheerleaders, so, having that kind of unit in your deployment zone makes no sense at all.

    Wouldnt it be better to have a ZERAT with sensor? So you can deploy her in the half of the board ( cof cof like the Streloks from TAK cof cof). Im still shocked by this unit.Cant see a list that could fit her at all.


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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]7 [​IMG]2
    OZNAT Stalker Unit (Sensor) Vulkan Shotgun, Smoke Grenades + 1 Sync Preta / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 29)
    [​IMG] SYNC PRETA Chain Rifle / AP CCW. (0 | 8)
    YAOGAT (Fireteam: Haris) Combi Rifle + Panzerfaust / Pistol, CCW. (0.5 | 30)
    YAOGAT Spitfire / Pistol, CCW. (1.5 | 32)
    YAOGAT Lieutenant Combi Rifle + Panzerfaust / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 29)
    ZERAT (Forward Observer) Boarding Shotgun, Grenades, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 22)
    KRAKOT RENEGADE 2 Chain Rifles, Grenades / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 14)
    R-DRONE Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]6 [​IMG]3 [​IMG]4
    Q-DRONE HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26)
    ZERAT Hacker (EI Assault Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 25)
    OZNAT Vulkan Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 20)
    RAKTORAK Red Fury / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 26)
    PRETA Chain Rifle / AP CCW. (0 | 7)
    PRETA Chain Rifle / AP CCW. (0 | 7)
    PRETA Chain Rifle / AP CCW. (0 | 7)
    IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)

    4.5 SWC | 300 Points

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  17. Gus-its

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    I really like your rosters, I will try yout first one and the second/third one with some variants (in your last one I guess you should have 7 regular order in the first group)

    If you go in second player, wich miniatures are in ARO ? Only Q drone?
     
  18. Nicklz

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    I'm quite surprised most lists don't go full SWC. If not with raw gun power how else can Morats stay in the game ?
     
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    Morat Aggression Force
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]7 [​IMG]3 [​IMG]4
    KORNAK Lieutenant Mk12, Light Flamethrower / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 41)
    RAKTORAK Combi Rifle + Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 23)
    SURYAT (Tactical Awareness) HMG + TinBot A (Deflector L1) / Pistol, CCW. (2 | 48)
    OZNAT Vulkan Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 20)
    RAKTORAK Red Fury / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 26)
    GAKI AP CCW. (0 | 4)
    GAKI AP CCW. (0 | 4)
    PRETA Chain Rifle / AP CCW. (0 | 7)
    RASYAT Spitfire, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (1.5 | 34)
    Q-DRONE Plasma Rifle / Electric Pulse. (1 | 25)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]4 [​IMG]1
    MED-TECH OBSIDON MEDCHANOID Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 23)
    MORAT Hacker (EI Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 22)
    R-DRONE Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    KRAKOT RENEGADE Submachine Gun, Chest Mine / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 15)

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    Or change the rasyat spitfire for Yaogat sniper and a krakot for a 14pts daturazi and R dron for ikadron.
     
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  20. RobertShepherd

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    Generally yes - and sometimes not even that, depending on the enemy force (no point feeding it to a PanO list that'll eliminate an unbuffed TR bot in seconds for example, but very valuable if you need to give pause to onrushing warbands). But typically all the corners in and just outside the DZ are well watched by chain rifles and flamethrowers in the short range bands. The combination of Krakots and Ikadrons, plus dogged Pretas in link, can make an actual assault on the DZ very punishing.

    In this particular list the offensive pieces have very low SWC costs. The Q-Drone is only 1 SWC for an excellent HMG, the Raktorak only 1 for an excellent Red Fury, and the Suryat only 1.5 for an excellent Feuerbach. It punches well above what you might expend for a 4.5 SWC list.

    That said, I disagree fundamentally with the idea that a MAF list should bank on raw firepower. Any morat list that tries to play that game and that game alone runs a serious risk of trying to play another faction's game and doing it worse. A MAF player that tries to straight up outshoot Panoceania, Onyx Contact Force, or Aleph is going to be outgunned in terms of both quality and probably quantity.

    MAF advantages instead lie in excellent warbands and general QCB options. Daturazi, Krakots, Hungries etc all give you tools to make value trades with the enemy to even out the small points disadvantage you'll probably be starting with, and the excellent morat smoke and manoeuvrability game generally (MAF has some of the best access to forward deploying and 6-4 or better movement models of any faction) gives a capacity to choose your engagements and fight on your terms in a manner typically rivalled only by Tohaa. Use these in combination with your ranged options to always engage the enemy on your own terms and you'll do far better than if you just try to bring the biggest guns and hope they carry you to victory.
     
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