https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/coordinated-surprise-attack.41989/#post-451216 Basically the same question with the link. Let's say Ayyar (Surprise attack (-6)) and Shujae(Surprise attack (-3)) are moving with coordinated order and BS attack against fusilier. What is the surprose attack mod in the following AROs? 1. Fusilier BS attack against Ayyar 2. Fusilier BS attack against Shujae 3. Fusilier dodges 4. Fusilier resets Also, for P75 (Modifiers Explained), there is no skill called "Surprise Shot" in N5.
You settle them individually. One roll by the Fusilier that's -6 to the dodge vs. Ayyar and -3 bs Shujae. So needs 4 or 7. 4 or less could potentially beat both. 7 could beat the Shujae but not the Ayyar.
Both the Surprise Attack rules and the rules in the link you posted are copied word for word into the N5 rules PDF, with the one exception that Surprise Attack gained a bullet point about not being able to combine Surprise Attack MODs that target specific attributes with other Surprise Attack MODs. Therefore, I'd argue that the conclusion in that old N4 thread you linked about the issue remains the same: the Ayyar's Surprise Attack (-6) applies to anything the Fusilier declares in ARO, regardless of who the Fusilier targets. Now here's the iffy part: the FAQ entry from N4 that prevented you from stacking Suprise Attack MODs doesn't exist anywhere in the N5 rules. The bullet point in Suprise Attack that says you can't stack Surprise Attack MODs that target an attribute with other Surprise Attack MODs is very specifically only about Surprise Attack MODs that target an attribute. Surprise Attack MODs might now stack.
@Space Ranger @QuantronicWombat So you have different interpretation of rules, so give me which interpretation is right after you try to convince each other. I don't disagree there. I want to say "This MOD is not cumulative with other MODs imposed by Surprise Attack" is supposed to prevent stacking of surprise attack MODs, which is in line with the N4 FAQ entry. However, it's under the second bullet point, which defines the Surprise Attack with specific Attribute, it can be only applied to those with attributes. They really need to clarify this rule.
If so, please give me the answers you think. The FAQ you brought still does not clarify "which surprise attack mod" they apply, or they still suffer surprise attack mod if they do ARO with normal roll. Do you agree with Space Ranger or QuantronicWombat? Or, do you have a different answer?
Does the image I added not load for you? Q: If multiple Troopers use Surprise Attack against the same target, for example via a Coordinated Order, or a Controller and Peripheral, do the Surprise Attack MODs stack with each other? A: No. Each Trooper's Surprise Attack MOD will be applied separately. For example if a Trooper is the target of two attackers using Surprise Attack, they will only suffer one Surprise Attack MOD if they Dodge, or Attack one of the Active Troopers. https://infinitythewiki.com/Surprise_Attack
I read that FAQ many times and I'm saying that FAQ is still not answering clearly enough. What FAQ doesn't say is it doesn't state "which one mod" they suffer. FAQ only says their surprise attack MOD applies seperately. Let's see a more easier example. Ghulam and Shujae bs attacks Fusilier. Shujae reveals from camo and gets surprise attack. Fusilier use BS attack as an ARO against Ghulam. Does fusilier get -3 mod from surprise attack of Shujae? It can be either 1. Surprise attack MOD is applied seperately. Ghulam doesn't have surprise attack, so that FtF between Ghulam and Fusilier doesn't apply surprise attack MOD. 2. Surprise attack MOD is applied seperately. So Shujae's surprise attack MOD is applied to "any roll" Fusilier makes, so the FtF between Ghulam and Fusilier applies surprise attack MOD. Which one do you think is right? The link of the original post is after that FAQ Spoiler: The link's answer and many in that thread agreed that surprise attack should be applied in this case .
Personally I think it would have been better to have excluded Surprise attack from the top bullet point in this picture so the the lower one applied to them so that the mods only worked if it was a face to face roll but clearly CB want it to be an exception.
