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Limited insertion

Discussion in 'Haqqislam' started by Doa, May 29, 2018.

  1. Doa

    Doa Well-Known Member

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    Hi guys, i'm thinking about list for upcoming tourney and we have the limitation to play with only 1 combat group
    I haven't played haqq with only 1 group, what is your approach with this limitation?
     
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    oldGregg Well-Known Member

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  3. ambisinister

    ambisinister Broken Zoetrope

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    Do you know what the missions are?
     
  4. Lazarus0909

    Lazarus0909 Well-Known Member

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    Curious about this also for QK. I feel like the Janissary link is an obvious single list, but making a well rounded pair can be tough in this format when a lot of the pricier options in the sect really eat at your SWC (and with the exception of oddballs like the Jann doc, don't score). Would probably opt for Druze + Iggy for the 2nd and go from there.
     
  5. theGricks

    theGricks Well-Known Member

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    QK does LI the best. Jannissary Core with a Sekban Haris, and twin Hawas are a good combo. Vanilla is kinda hard to do well, but Saladin plus Maggy is a good combo.

    [​IMG] Qapu Khalqi
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    [​IMG] JANISSARY Akbar Doctor (MediKit) AP Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 41)
    [​IMG] JANISSARY Lieutenant AP Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, CCW. (0.5 | 36)
    [​IMG] JANISSARY HMG / Pistol, CCW. (2 | 40)
    [​IMG] JANISSARY Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 31)
    [​IMG] JANISSARY Missile Launcher / Pistol, CC Weapon. (2 | 37)
    [​IMG] SEKBAN (Fireteam: Haris) AP Rifle, Chain-colt / Pistol, Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 22)
    [​IMG] SEKBAN Doctor Plus (MediKit) Boarding Shotgun, Chain-colt / Pistol, Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 24)
    [​IMG] SEKBAN Heavy Rocket Launcher, Chain-colt / Assault Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 23)
    [​IMG] HAWWA' (Forward Observer) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 21)
    [​IMG] HAWWA' (Forward Observer) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 21)

    6 SWC | 296 Points

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    [​IMG] SALADIN Lieutenant Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 36)
    [​IMG] MAGHARIBA MULTI HMG, Heavy Flamethrower / . (2 | 78)
    [​IMG] [​IMG] MAGHARIBA PILOT Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. ()
    [​IMG] FASID Heavy Rocket Launcher, Submachine Gun, Antipersonnel Mines / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (2 | 45)
    [​IMG] GHULAM Doctor Plus (MediKit) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
    [​IMG] NASMAT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    [​IMG] NAJJARUN Engineer Rifle + Light Shotgun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 17)
    [​IMG] NASMAT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    [​IMG] LEILA SHARIF Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Shock Marksman Rifle, D-Charges / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0 | 20)
    [​IMG] BARID Hacker (Assault Hacking Device UPGRADE: Icebreaker) Rifle + Pitcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 19)
    [​IMG] DJANBAZAN Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 31)
    [​IMG] HAWWA' (Forward Observer) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 21)
    [​IMG] KAMEEL (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)

    5 SWC | 297 Points

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  6. Doa

    Doa Well-Known Member

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    Mission are
    1) Acquisition
    2) fFrefight
    3) Frontline
    Actually i'm hinking about this list(sorry i haven't maggie)
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    [​IMG] SALADIN Lieutenant Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 36)
    [​IMG] BARID Hacker (Killer Hacking Device UPGRADE: Lightning) Rifle + Pitcher / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
    [​IMG] AZRA'IL AP HMG / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 41)
    [​IMG] ÁYYĀR (Surprise Shot L2) Shock Marksman Rifle / 2 Viral Pistols, CCW, Knife. (0 | 39)
    [​IMG] HASSASSIN HUSAM YASBIR (Infiltration, Holoprojector L2) Rifle + Light Shotgun, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW, Knife. (0 | 34)
    [​IMG] ASAWIRA Doctor Plus (MediKit) Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 39)
    [​IMG] ZHAYEDAN (Marksmanship L2) Breaker Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 31)
    [​IMG] FANOUS REMOTE Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    [​IMG] DJANBAZAN Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 31)
    [​IMG] LASIQ Viral Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 25)

    4 SWC | 300 Points

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  7. Jonno

    Jonno Well-Known Member

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    Solid list. Let us know how it went!
     
  8. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    Asawira Dr without servants is a sad Asawira Dr, they add so much utility!
     
  9. Xeurian

    Xeurian Well-Known Member

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    I might even consider trading the Fanous for a Ghazi to go with the servant. Even if that does drop the regular order count by one in LI.
     
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  10. Auzo

    Auzo Member

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    After playing QK for a while, I am going for Vanilla, and this is the first LI list tha I've figured out.
    What do you think about it?
    I'll try it this Friday...

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    [​IMG] SALADINO Teniente Fusil Combi, Nanopulser / Pistola, Arma CC. (0 | 36)
    [​IMG] MUTTAWI'AH Chain Rifle, E/Marat, Jammer, Granadas de Humo / Pistola, Cuchillo. (0 | 5)
    [​IMG] HAFZA Fusil + Escopeta Lig. / Pistola, Cuchillo. (0 | 16)
    [​IMG] TARIK MANSURI Spitfire, Nanopulser, Granadas / Pistola, Arma CC DA. (1.5 | 55)
    [​IMG] DJANBAZAN Ametralladora / Pistola, Cuchillo. (1.5 | 35)
    [​IMG] DJANBAZAN F. de Francotirador / Pistola, Cuchillo. (0.5 | 31)
    [​IMG] LASIQ F. de Francotirador Viral / Pistola, Cuchillo. (1.5 | 25)
    [​IMG] AL-DJABEL Fusil + Escopeta Lig., Granadas de Humo / Pistola, Arma CC Viral, Cuchillo. (0 | 35)
    [​IMG] TUAREG Hacker (Disp. de Hacker de Asalto) Fusil + Escopeta Lig. Minas Antipersona / Pistola, Cuchillo. (0.5 | 35)
    [​IMG] HAKIM Escopeta de Abordaje / Pistola, Cuchillo. (0.5 | 27)
    [​IMG] [​IMG] NASMAT A2 Pulso Eléctrico. (0 | 4)

    6 CAP | 300 Puntos

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  11. CabalTrainee

    CabalTrainee Well-Known Member

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    Is there a specific reason why you stick to one combat group? I personally have way more success in Vanilla with more troopers.
    Also Djanbazans are pretty expensive. To make the most out of them i would bring more smoke. I mean your fiday will probably do his own thing and not have time to help them out much with smoke coverage. Which means you only have 1 dude who can provide that. Just my feeling.
     
  12. Urobros

    Urobros Well-Known Member

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    I like your army list :) If you want include a servant for the Asawira Doctor, maybe you can change the fanous (8 points) for one "muttawah'ia" and one "nasmat", it is exactly the same (5+3). You loose one regular order but with the command tokens you could use the "no regular order of the mutta" if neccesary and you have "Saladin" so still 10 orders in your pool.
     
  13. Doa

    Doa Well-Known Member

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    Hi guys.
    After a couple of training matches i change my lists.
    My first tournament with haqq was so so
    1st game vs nomad with 8 camo troops. lost because i forgot that marker can't control objective(my Khd with cybermask was the datatracker :( )
    2nd game vs caledonia. Horrible table, had an enormous round building(60 cm diameter) on one side across midfield and the rest of the table was without cover. McMurrogh menaged to run across my lines and killed al fasid, ghulams, kaplan. Spent my turn killing him but can't do more and was a bad loss
    3rd vs nomads. Same horrible table of 2nd game but i strated and menaged to kill kriza borac, 2 other minis and wounded taskmaster
    My opponent killed my al fasid in his turn but later armand put big numbers killing other 4 pieces and the game was one big victory
    Best pieces djambazan and armand, worst pieces al fasid


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    [​IMG] SALADIN Lieutenant Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 36)
    [​IMG] GHULAM Doctor Plus (MediKit) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
    [​IMG] NASMAT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    [​IMG] BARID Hacker (Killer Hacking Device UPGRADE: Lightning) Rifle + Pitcher / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
    [​IMG] KAPLAN Engineer Combi Rifle, Blitzen / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27)
    [​IMG] LASIQ Viral Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 25)
    [​IMG] DJANBAZAN HMG / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 35)
    [​IMG] FASID HMG + (Smoke and Normal) Light Grenade Launcher, Antipersonnel Mines / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (2 | 53)
    [​IMG] ÁYYĀR (Surprise Shot L2) Shock Marksman Rifle / 2 Viral Pistols, CCW, Knife. (0 | 39)
    [​IMG] TUAREG Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Rifle + Light Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 35)
    [​IMG] GHULAM (Deployable Repeater) Rifle + Light Shotgun, E/Mauler / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14)

    5.5 SWC | 299 Points

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    [​IMG] SALADIN Lieutenant Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 36)
    [​IMG] BARID Hacker (Killer Hacking Device UPGRADE: Lightning) Rifle + Pitcher / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
    [​IMG] GHULAM Doctor Plus (MediKit) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
    [​IMG] DJANBAZAN Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 31)
    [​IMG] ARMAND (Minelayer) MULTI Sniper, Nanopulser, Antipersonnel Mines / 2 Breaker Pistols, Shock CC Weapon, Knife. (1.5 | 42)
    [​IMG] FIDAY Boarding Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW, Knife. (0 | 29)
    [​IMG] ÁYYĀR (Surprise Shot L2) Shock Marksman Rifle / 2 Viral Pistols, CCW, Knife. (0 | 39)
    [​IMG] FASID HMG + (Smoke and Normal) Light Grenade Launcher, Antipersonnel Mines / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (2 | 53)
    [​IMG] FARZAN (Minelayer) Boarding Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 23)
    [​IMG] BASHI BAZOUK Submachine Gun, Chain-colt / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 12)
    [​IMG] NASMAT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)

    4 SWC | 300 Points

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  14. Jonno

    Jonno Well-Known Member

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    Your Barid can be the data tracker, but by choosing him you prevent him from being able to enter any marker state. So he can do the job, but he's just not very tough.

    Shame about the table. In our meta you would discuss with the opponent if they are happy with it, and if not then talk for the TO. If there's really not enough terrain you could consider some terrain effects like Low Vis Zones, Difficult Terrain or even "fog" that limits range of sight.
     
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  15. Doa

    Doa Well-Known Member

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    I know that datatraker couldn't take objective in marker state, not that they can't go in marker state.
    My fault was not declaring Dodge and remove the marker.
    For table, we are a small community(8players) with little game so we don't discussione about the table during tournament but the argument was discussed whrn it was over
     
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  16. Natsymir

    Natsymir Well-Known Member

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    In limited insertion, Tarik Mansuri is extremely good to run together with a Janissary Akbar doctor, because Tarik has a Cube, so you can always risk that WIP 14 Akbar doctor roll to get him back up to two wounds.

    Lieutenant Tarik spitfire Rambo + Chain of Command Farzan + Janissary Akbar doctor would be the core of any limited insertion list I decided to run. A Hassassin Ayyar is a likely fourth addition, as he's uniquely good at clearing CrazyKoalas and mines with his holoechoes, and a Fiday if the enemy also runs limited insertion, as they really struggle to protect their deployment zone then.
     
  17. Fangoman

    Fangoman New Member

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    I was looking at the different lists posted in this discussion... and I have some Basic question in order to better understand how to Play this faction:

    1) Most of the lists Show only one Djambazan with sniper rifle and no other means to eventually fight camo or TO camo Units. Nevertheless, many high technological factions (PanO, Yu Jing, Combined Army,...) can deploy TO camo Units (also HIs and TAGs). How can you try to counter such Unitswith so few MSVL2 and without sensor Units ?

    2) Many lists Show several HIs but no hackers to eventually protect them with Supportware (fairy dust for instance) or to try to Counter enemy assault hacker attacks (FtF rolls). Only assualt hackers or killer hackers are deployed for an offensive stance. Don`t you think that this might be a risk?

    Thanks in advance for any clarification.
     
  18. Errhile

    Errhile A traveller on the Silk Road

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    Well, last time I fought against a TO camo model (Swiss Guard), I burned him to a crisp with a Naffatun's heavy flamethrower.
    Throwing a bucketload of dice (like a Burst 4) on optimal distance (and having some luck!) does help, too.

    In short, TO Camo or ODD is a nasty visual modifer, especially if coupled with Cover and range and, perhaps, Surprise Shot. True.
    But these things are of little use when faced with Templates (mainly Direct, but Impact templates directed against a different model and catching our TO Camo under it work just fine), Close Combat and Speculative Fire.
     
  19. Fangoman

    Fangoman New Member

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    Got it.
    But... how many template weapons can be seen in the limited Insertion lists posted in this discussion?
    Having to deploy a Maximum of 10 Units, there`s few place for Neffatuns or Muttawi or similar... If I would have to Play a limited Insertion game with PanO or Ju Jing, I would certainly bring at least 1-2 Swiss Guards or Hac Tao (a Cutter ??)... In These Scenarios, loosing also a few Units means have the order pool strongly reduced...
     
  20. Errhile

    Errhile A traveller on the Silk Road

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    Well, you can also try a different approach:
    • ignore the TO issue and go after his order pool, or
    • ingore the TO issue and go after the mission objectives.
    Now, the list I used in the game I mentioned had 3 Naffatun (mostly intended to be cheerleaders / rear area guardians), in addition to two Al Fasid, Tarik, and a few other models. It wasn't a strict ITS Limited Insertion list (we were not playing ITS, and I had too few Specialists for that), but it was 10-Orders-only.
     
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