Kurage Crisis Winner?

last year Ariadna scored most dominant faction. by holding their own zones but Also flipping other zones, if only for a short while. so flipping zones Also gave points

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It seems they decide the winner using arcane Math, but the most used data are Tournament Points, Objective Points and Victory Points, then normalized so factions with more players won't steamroll every other faction (this was what allowed Tohaa and Aleph to win anything this season, btw).

Nah, those are "achievements", not "you win points for this".

 

Bottom line it was overall points. Due to numbers of wins and points scored. This of course was buffered by being the largest faction represented, but still having 3 points per win.

If one wants to argue controlled zones, Technically Yu-Jing and Tohaa are the only factions to have gained more than they started with. Yu Jing held their territory at the end of each phase, as well as took one zone of the JSA base. Tohaa had no zones to control, but gained one from Ariadna. Ariadna held both of their zones at the end of phase 1, but lost their zone to Tohaa in Phase 2. But they also gained a zone from Pan-O. Overall net 0 gain.

 

In my personal opinion the campaign was very unbalanced. From a Nomad point of view I didn't understand why we got a double penalty by getting less points per win and have to defend two locations after this already didn't work out last year.

Nevermind... now about the fairest faction thing: Isn't it a suprise that one faction (Ariadna) has a massive positive win-ratio over all factions? Either Infinity is that hard imbalanced which I doubt or sth. is strange or this wasn't that fair.

And if you compare and estimate numbers from Aleph and Nomads, for example, it isn't that crystal clear to me that Aleph was the fairest faction since both factions have the similiar percentage ratio of games played/ignored+downgraded. Although I have not all the numbers and have to guess/estimate based on the video.

 

Camo is one of the strongest/easiest mechanic to use, and it forgives a TON of mistakes.

Not to mention that even ITS10 bonus to AD it's not that scary when camo effectively gives you a 360 visor for 1 use (enough to secure most of DZ with 1 or 2 camo's).

 

If simply holding on to a faction's territory was the way to win the campaign then there would have been no point to attacking

Either way, we don't know exactly how the numbers translated into wins. We do know that proportionally Ariadna did the best though.

 

I'd say that, if % are the same, then Aleph has win the "less amount of dirty plays" by simply having less absolute numbers: if there were, for example, a 20% of "dirt trick" reports, and there were 1000 nomads and 200 Aleph players in the game, then Nomads made 200 bad reports, while Aleph made 40...

So it's not that Aleph is more honorable or less prone to dirty tactics, it's just that it was among the least played factions!

 

If percentages had been used instead of totals those graphs would have looked very different. There were a couple that were pretty darn high despite having significantly lower player/game count

 

That is the important question! One of the biggest dramas in the campaign was fact that the start of the pdf considered all NA2 zones unassailable, while the missions stated otherwise. in the end it seems it that requirement for holding all three point was either reworked or a mistranslation of some sorts.
Then RAI of the rule suggesting you have to hold all three zones would make campaign a turtle fest, which... well, wouldn't be fun at all. This may be why Ariadna got rewarded for launching multiple assaults. Still as much as I am happy that Ariadna won?
I think YuJing is the greatest winner. and should be rewarded in lore.

 

This will not happen, cause JSA got the plot armor.
If they would have lost two locations, the station would be lore wise still under their control. Why else should you make an exclusive zone.

 

That's my point. From the numbers shown in the video Aleph was just as dirty as Nomads, so I am quite disappointed by this presentation. It was boring to watch (they could have shown every numbers they liked and it would had no entertaining effect) since we got no plot/aftermath to the campaign as well as not enough information like clear numbers and percentage values etc.

 

This is the same discussion carried out after Wotan.

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I think by nameing a single winner had been a mistake and handing it to the faction that got the most points by virtue of having the most active players feels wrong. Only 4 factions succeeded according to the mission documents we were given aleph (my faction) held the aplekton and secured a foothold on dawn. Haqqislam secured their own interests on the island and increased relations with the nomads. Nomads got their network set up and held off the aleph assault (congrats on that one was a tough fight) and not only did yu jing hold the fire base they contested the JSA facility so in my opinion they should be the true winners here

 

We won as Ariadna and I think well earned.

We did more then just rake in the points as Ariadna. We were not the biggest faction, but had the most contributors and did it all with 3 points per win #kuragehardmode. We had the best win/loss ratio. The most upgraded reports. We fought on the most fronts. Ariadna fought the most opponents and beat most of them. We flipped the most zones. We went on the attack, while on defense, on a constant basis. We were the most infamous. Influenced the course of the campaign on our home planet. Our objective was to beat combined first, but they were not aviable, so went for the next one on the list: pano, and we did. Kept most of our base. Or as Bostria would say: performed the best on all parameters. There where less awards to give, cause Ariadna took most of them.

And within the faction we had a blast, fighting on a knive edge on different fronts and proving historical wars wrong, that multiple fronts can be done succesfully. The morale was high, with a good Ariadnan spirit going. Everybody gave their best, cause Dawn, our home, was on the line. The drive to achieve was huge because of it. You will see when we campaign on some other factions home planet, that they will give a strong performance.

We took the pano crown, so that is good news for the whole sphere. Bringing balance to the universe

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I agree on most points, but there is issue with factions without bases: they had no points at all if we stick to the rules. CA, Tohaa practically started off doomed, unless they would pile in upon Aplekton, and due to the draft of the rules we had: it meant facing off Aleph, Nomads, Haqqislam and potentially Ariadna. Which... well, makes ONE spot in the game a hotspot, and makes it nearly impossible for smaller factions to get it due to competition, while other spots would require ENORMOUS amount of battle reports.
I agree there should be more than a single winner, especially since there was a lot of interesting twists lore wise:
Nomad and Haqq Alliance defying Aleph was certainly fluffy. And in this conflict I think we both have to agree: Aleph was fighting it's heart out there, alone against two smart and well coordinated factions. I have to respect that, even if I firmly cheered for Nomads.
PanO ad YuJing showdown that was caused by supporting JSA claim on installation, leading to Ariadna outrage was fluffy too. cause it led to lorewise sensible alliances. I wish that was reflected in plot.
Maybe instead of stating: and the winner is, we could get some nice lore love? I know it may not be likely, but I want everyone to know I enjoyed the campaign and respect both the effort and how it all unfolded, from the desperate "Shore the walls" at Lafayette, to all out final attack meant to take over PanO base, I had a lot of fun. I have to admit, in the end, when fake reports made the odds seem terrible for Ariadna, i almost faltered due to how invested I got.
I would love to see the lore reflect the... well fluffy aspect of the campaign, but CB has a story they want to tell, so one of the ways they can make their playerbase feel they achieved something is by offering titles and rewards.
Ariadna was given title of winner, since in the end we held three locations and had most wins. We also were faithful allies (this time) and most active faction with a lot of excellent report. With how this campaign turned out, I am sure choosing winner was a task I would find very hard.

 

Yep...it is. And again I think that having an "overall winner" is counterproductive as there are simply too many unbalanced factors...and that's not even a real problem for me personally.

Ariadna simply feels the right one if we want to have something like "the big dog winner"...they just perfomed excellently in any respect. For me Yu Jing is probably the one faction who made the most of this campaign (not because I played there of course). So if there are two "over-achievers", it would be Ariadna (showing Pan0 their place on Dawn) and the State Empire (teaching the secessionists a lesson).

Still I would say that each faction achieved something (maybe besides CA....booo...losers ;)) and that should be the core of what we get out of campaigns: make it worthwhile and give your games some purpose. Haqq diplomacy was a cool a move as was Tohaa being the overpowered nuisance for Ariadna. All of that deserves respect and an honorable mention. Pan-O and Nomads not making as much of an impact as we might have xpected would still leave some room for them focussing on their achievements...there is always some gain to focus on.

That's not to say that I do have some issues with the AI recalculation only being conducted afterwards. That has been discussed already, but the "true numbers" probably would have lead to different strategic decisions...actual 20 poins to presumed 50 points would have made a huge difference for Yu Jing players to be motivated to go for Kurage ROC...in retrospective that was well in reach and would have made for a brilliant outcome...maybe not for the assumed "plot armor" but for Yu Jing selfesteem. Ariadna succesfully defending and conquering at the same time was equally realistic in that regard. So there might be some room for improvement on how to handle high and low quality reports next time: that process should better be done as we go along. It might not get the perfect scores, but as long as we are closer to them that would certainly help decisionmaking.

 

Maybe a timeline for completing reports? 6 hours once someone submits to fill in all details and link if possible, otherwise it is disgarded? The amount of "details coming soon" or just a hyperlink to another persons report was surprising to me.