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KAIZOKU SPEC OPS (SPITFIRE/MEDKIT) What is the point?

Discussion in 'Japanese Secessionist Army' started by archangeleong, Jan 23, 2019.

  1. archangeleong

    archangeleong Deadly Ninja Assassin

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    Hi guys,

    What is the point of this model? Before you go off on too many tangents, I know that with spec ops you can arm him any way you please. My question is why were these two specific loadouts created by CB on this guy.

    Med Kit? (already have a doc)

    Spitfire? (already on Domaru and Aragoto and not exactly a popular choice for Kempeitai {or is it})

    Why no weapon pac?

    Why?

    Why? lol
     
  2. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    The point is to represent the Kaizoku? They already did the standard combi version so the general release has different options.

    I guess Doctor is a common skill on Spec-Ops and Spitfire is a weapon Keisotsu don't usually come with.

    The Grunt Intel came with two different sets of arms rather than a weapon sprue, I wonder how sales of the previous Spec-Ops stacked up and if that influenced the decision.
     
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  3. meikyoushisui

    meikyoushisui Competitor for Most Ignored User

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    Doctor/Hacker/engineer with leftover points into WIP is pretty popular.

    For the spitfire, it is probably a signal that there won't be a spitfire kempei anytime soon :(
     
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  4. Ben Kenobi

    Ben Kenobi Well-Known Member

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    Normally you have two general builds depending on your army.

    If your army has no CoC, you will take it on the Spec Ops
    Else, you normally play the Generalist with Doctor/Engineer/Hacker
     
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  5. Paradur

    Paradur Fukurô Keibi
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    Well doctor is the only specialist type you can't already stick in a fire team
     
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  6. Section9

    Section9 Well-Known Member

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    The old specops had weapons sprues that were actually sections of CB's master sprues that got sent to sculptors back when everything was done with greenstuff (Antenociti managed to get a set of ALL the weapons for some of their terrain).

    Now, though, I don't know how much of the weapons are printed separate from the trooper.
     
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  7. barakiel

    barakiel Echo Bravo Master Sergeant

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    Under the current system, a 6 point weapon (like the Spitfire,) Mimetism and either Minelayer or a Specialist (like Doctor or Hacker) is a very good setup. All of that fits into 12 points.

    I haven't seen Spec Ops used in a while, but when I do get to use it, both Doctor and Spitfire are really nice options.

    There are also rumblings that the Spec Ops system is going to be changed or revised, so there may be changes in the near future that we're not aware of.
     
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  8. MikeTheScrivener

    MikeTheScrivener O-12 Peace Kepper

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    I think customers are much happier with a model that has two separate sets of arms versus a miniature with a static pose and loose weapons with no clear way of attaching or converting them.
     
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  9. clever handle

    clever handle Well-Known Member

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    I think this is an indication that we wont see sculpts for the Kempie spitfire, nor will we see a JSA support pack resculpt anytime soon as the Kaizoku replaces your doctor and if you're taking an engineer aren't you always paying the extra points to take the FAR superior Yurkio Oda?. I for one lov ethe look of the Kaizoku & kind of wish I could replace all the keisotsu with them (that's not saying there's anything wrong with five of the six keisotsu - the female sculpt from the JSA box kind of sucks IMO - I think they're all great, but the Kaizoku are much cooler)
     
  10. archangeleong

    archangeleong Deadly Ninja Assassin

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    All good advice/thoughts guys. :+1:

    So the question is which build would you make your spec ops?

    Spitfire?

    -or-

    Medic?
     
  11. MikeTheScrivener

    MikeTheScrivener O-12 Peace Kepper

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    My meta doesn't use spec ops – that being said, I would build him with the spitfire to stand in for the kempetai or a dismounted Aragoto spitfire model.
     
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  12. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    Whichever is more appropriate for the rest of my list? Maybe both?

    The Spitfire gives a 0 SWC heavy weapon along with the potential to stack with Mimetism and BS increases, this adds a decent amount of teeth to a Keisotsu link for basically no cost.

    The Doctor brings a high WIP specialist and healer, getting WIP increases helps with healing your Keisotsu HMG/ML as they lack cubes, and keeps them near a Kempeitai or Domaru in the same link so you don't potentially have to run a Servant bot across the board to reach them.

    You can also go with CoC, giving you a cheaper option than the Kempeitai, and allowing a FT with Domaru, MSV2 SMMR, and CoC, or even Holo1 as a second Kempeitai or Domaru Lt to help insure against Impersonators and other assassins, either of these could be combined with Doctor!
     
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  13. Zewrath

    Zewrath Elitist Jerk

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    I use the combi bloke who came with the pre-order as a Tokusetsu engineer and the medikit guy as the Tokusetsu Doctor. That way I feel like I have a brand new CAD sculpt of the JSA support box. :)
     
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  14. barakiel

    barakiel Echo Bravo Master Sergeant

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    I find Doctoring is of limited us to JSA. Keisotsu start with very low WIP and don't have Cubes. So you could dump a ton of points into a WIP increase, but you'd still be gambling. WIP15 is still significantly worse than WIP12 with a re-roll, and most of the units I use that do have Cubes are so far up the field that it's not likely I'll get a chance to Doctor them.

    Supportware Hacker is quite nice though. Minelayer is phenomenal. With Ryuken-9 and Yojimbo, you can really crowd the table with defense. Mimetism is really good if you plan to gunfight at all. Starting at BS10 means you desperately want any bonus that helps you swing those firefights in your favor.

    So I typically do 6-point heavy weapon, Mimetism, and either Minelayer or a 2-point Specialist option. Either version of the miniature could easily depict this.

    It also makes me hope we get updated Spec Ops rules and miniatures for more factions and sectorials. I really like what they've done with this Kaizoku.
     
  15. archangeleong

    archangeleong Deadly Ninja Assassin

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    Thanks guys! Dang, so many good arguments with both builds. Maybe I’ll try magnets :laughing:
     
  16. Pierzasty

    Pierzasty Null-Space Entity

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    Because Spec-Ops are typically built into 3 types:
    - hacker/doctor/engineer with improved WIP
    - mimetic spitfire/HMG/sniper with improved BS (and we've already got a pseudo-sniper with MSV2)
    - something that the sectorial doesn't have already, like AD in JSA
    Not sure if I'd take the spitfire over MSR for the range, but it's an option, and the medikit serves nicely as a generic specialist model.

    Because he's got a white faceplate.
     
  17. archangeleong

    archangeleong Deadly Ninja Assassin

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    Interesting you point this out. I always thought the Kaizoku model looks it has a parachute on its back. Maybe AD proxy was part of the intention of the kaizoku model...

    Wouldn’t spitfire be a better option for an AD trooper?
     
  18. Mcgreag

    Mcgreag Well-Known Member

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    I would probably physically build him with the med kit and use him as a Keisotsu Paramedic.
     
  19. tox

    tox SorriBarai
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    I would go with this
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    or maybe this
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    Otherwise you can always go with the boring multispecialists
     
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  20. barakiel

    barakiel Echo Bravo Master Sergeant

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    The only issue with running him as a solo piece is that he's just SO bad with his stats. Factions with really good base linetroopers get a big advantage in the Spec Ops format. I'm pretty okay with this overall... It's nice when factions that "overpay" on their base line troopers get to use those stats for a badass Spec Ops... But it hurts the BS10, WIP12 guys badly. WIP12 isn't the end of the world... The difference between WIP12 and WIP14 when you're rolling one dice isn't huge. But when you're firing a Burst 4 weapon that's opposed by the enemy, the difference between BS10 and B12 is much more significant.
     
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