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ISS or Yu Jing vs Haqq IMP/CAMO Spam

Discussion in 'Yu Jing' started by Azuset, Jul 20, 2019.

  1. Azuset

    Azuset Well-Known Member

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    Greetings members of our great and righteous empire.

    I'll be rolling up again an opponent who loves to spam IMP and Camo markers. I am looking for some general advice on how to deal with that with model choice and deployment.

    Thanks!
     
  2. krossaks

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    Both in vanilla or ISS offer good options to deal with it. My personal choice is ISS with Wu mings with Zhanying or Hsien haris with Zhanying. Try to start if you want and go agressive, use sensors and madtraps to clean enemy camos and mines.

    Against fidays, deploy kuang shi to try to discover during the impetuous order. If the oponent go first try to stop it via saturation, always discover. Is it discover itself shooting you can kill it. Madtraps are very good for this beacuse can force the oponent fiday to deal eat some glue while discovered.

    Finally kill all muttahs as far as you can, if in your first round 3/4 muttahs and the fiday is death, all is worth it. I usually focus myself on cleaning this antigame options and after i go to the mission.

    Apart Rui Shi with hacker support is a godly way to clean muttahs
     
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  3. Gero

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    Take Initiative, always, if you can’t the above advice works wonders.

    ghazi and fiday must be cleared, for Muttawiahs a clever oponent will move them so they are behind buildings, out of sight, a Tiger/Garuda with Spitfire work well here as well as Rui shi with shock ammo, bring a hacker or two because your opponent might bring a Ragik along the Fiday to pierce your soft underbelly.

    Guilang Minelayers might work against Ghazi as well, but the perfect solution for Ghazi hiding are Light Grenade launchers, the Wu Ming carry one of these and a Celestial guard carries one as well in ISS, Kanren sniffer satlock guided missiles might be overkill and order inefficient considering they have WIP15 for resets.

    If bringing in Shaolins, their shock CC weapons are perfect against Ghazi and due to having Stealth they won’t have such a hard time getting into clobbering mode and if they fail the ruishi has smoke already to shoot and advance through.

    A Crane or Hsien Lieutenant or even Sun Tze will prevent fiday from going after him, or deter him, for maximum sneakiness Daofei LT. just be way of Muttawiahs and their intuitive shots of jammer.

    BRING AN ENGINERD
     
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  4. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    You can't use discover during the impetuous order.


    IMPETUOUS ORDER
    Legal combinations of Skills

    Airborne Deployment
    Move + Activate (Activate + Move)
    Move + Attack (Attack + Move)
    Move + Dodge (Dodge + Move)
    Move + Idle (Idle + Move)
    Move + Move
    Jump
    Climb
     
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  5. Diphoration

    Diphoration Well-Known Member
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    If you can, always build your list with a Kuang Shi or two in your second battle group (having 2 control device is great too).

    This way, you can detonate your 1-2 Kuang Shis without detonating the 6 others.

    Move the 1-2 Kuang Shi near their impersonator, detonate them, enjoy.
     
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  6. smog

    smog Well-Known Member
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    I’m pretty sure any template weapon that hits an impersonation marker is declared a miss, although Explode might be an exempt.

    I’d go ISS. Plenty of templates and mad traps to give impersonators second thoughts about going in, holo to confuse him about which model to target. Lots of Sensor to root out camo markers. Kuang shi to trade with his mutts.
     
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  7. Diphoration

    Diphoration Well-Known Member
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    Explode is not an attack, it may deal damage to friendly troopers.
     
  8. CabalTrainee

    CabalTrainee Well-Known Member

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    So i can use the DETONATE KUANG SHI skill to kill impersonators in marker state?
     
  9. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    Neither skill is listed as an attack, can't see why not. Just keep in mind Detonate Kuang Shi sets off all the Kuang Shi in the same combat group so unlikely to be a valuable trade there.
     
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  10. CabalTrainee

    CabalTrainee Well-Known Member

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    Depends how many i have still left on the table. I'm thinking more of Vanilla here. And sometimes i just really want that speculo gone.
     
  11. Section9

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    Zhanying LTs are highly amusing. Sixth Sense L2 natively means that the Speculo/Fiday doesn't get that Surprise Attack bonus! Still not great odds with CC21MA3 v CC16, but better than nothing.

    Though a Daoying LT2 is probably better now, since it should be hiding under camo. And declaring Discover will reveal the impersonator.
     
  12. Mahtamori

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    Detonate triggers Explode and Explode is Obligatory.

    Zhanying are also Bioimmune, and since Al-Djabel is a lot more common than regular Fiday, that also works pretty nicely against Fiday. Not to mention you can stick a few MadTraps around the Zhanying to prevent melee access (just don't do it around the Daoying as all that'll create is a Shotgun pivot to bypass the need to Discover, stick them close, but not directly adjacent)
     
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    KS can be useful for the ARO Discover though.
     
  15. Ariwch

    Ariwch Tournament benthotic lurker

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    – But this is Bob from accounting!
    – Sure thing it's him. So let's take our chances and blast this SOB while we can say it's collateral!

    :joy:
     
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    :joy::joy::joy:

    :innocent:
     
  17. Spauracchio

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    Actually, Explode is treated like a Direct Template Weapon and as such it cannot damage any friendly trooper.

    "Following the Direct Template Rules, if the Circular Template of the explosion affects, for example, a Camouflage or TO Camouflage Marker without having a valid target inside the Template, or affects a friendly or Neutral trooper, then that explosion is cancelled and considered null."

    Therefore no, you can't detonate a Kuang Shi to kill an IMP Marker because you wouldn't be able to put the template down on that one.

    "Bob from accounting" is safe!
     
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  18. Ariwch

    Ariwch Tournament benthotic lurker

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    Well, unlike Exp lvl X, Exp lvl 1 has no label Attack, and it is a skill, not weapon, so doing rules ditty-nitty law dispute it's not strictly and unilaterally forbidden. Though AFAIK, there is a question awaiting clarification regarding exactly this topic.
     
  19. Mahtamori

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    It's also important to remember that it's not a declared attack and the restriction is that you may not declare template attacks on friendly troopers. Detonating Kuang Shi is also not an attack and as such it causes a template effect that is not declared.

    Rules lawyery? Did you read the descriptive text for Explode L1?
     
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  20. Diphoration

    Diphoration Well-Known Member
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    You’re not even quoting the right rule, this is from Explode LX.
     
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