@HellLois and @ijw I have the following question: what happens when a troop is isolated if the lieutenant has Inspiring Leadership? Isolated makes the troop irregular and prevents from using reserve orders (among other things) but, the lieutenant's special skill would make it regular again? ... Which rule would have priority?
"If, at the start of his following Active Turns, the Trooper is still Isolated, then he is considered to be Irregular and does not add his Order to his Order Pool this Turn. (See FAQs & Errata. This Order cannot be made Regular.)"
Inspirational Leadership does not transform the Irregular Order into a Regular Order, it gives the troop the Regular Training Characteristic. So, one rule is giving to the troop the Irregular Training and another the Regular ... which one has priority? Or, in what order do these rules apply? , because it is not the same first to make it Regular and then to become Irregular than the opposite.
You can possess the Regular Training even if yuo are Irregular, but when you get Isolated... You are considered Irregular nonetheless.
I accept your answer as valid. But another question arises: Is it this way because... 1.- Isolated is imposed on any other rule. 2.- The rules of a State are imposed on any other rule. 3.- It is so because it has always been like this, aka "because potato option".
Let's read those rules as: Inspiring Leadership "modifies your stats card" as Regular If you are Isolate you get a new title for your sadness of being alone
I would probably rely on the "and" in the Isolated rule, and say Isolated has three distinct effects: 1. Cannot receive orders from the Order Pool 2. Is considered to be Irregular 3. Does not add his order to the Order Pool Even if the presence of an Inspiring Leader cancelled (2), it wouldn't cancel (1) and (3) so the Isolated trooper would be Regular but would nonetheless not add his order to the Order Pool (or receive orders from the Order Pool).
But that opens a new problem since the troop could not be activated at all, because the Regular troops do not keep the order for themselves as the Irregulars do. If the troop does not have its own Order nor can it receive orders from the pool... the troop becomes just a statue.
There are no rules preventing other rules from forcing these orders to be retained for only personal use (see: Hidden Deployment and Airborne Deployment). Isolated prevents using orders from the pool, it does not prevent orders being used on them that do not come from the pool (see: Tactical Awareness)
What you say is correct, but that does not eliminate or solve the problem that I see in that Inspiring Leadership only keeps the troop as Regular but does not change the other two effects that QueensGambit has indicated. I'll try to explain myself better: 1.- If Inspiring Leadership keeps the troop as Regular, it does not keep the Order for itself, it can only send it to the pool. 2.- Because it is isolated, it cannot send the Order to the pool nor receive Orders from the pool. Where is that Order? Well, honestly, I don't know, because it can neither maintain it nor send it. This opens two options: 1.- He maintains it: then it is either not a Regular or it is doing something not included in the rulebook (a Regular maintaining its Order). 2.- He does not maintain it: if it does not have his own order nor can it receive orders... it cannot be activated.
There are other cases where a Regular order is kept for the generating model, as Mahtamori already stated. Anyway, the model should be Irregular anyway, so nothing to see there...
The rules that you are looking for are the rules for the order pool itself, the trooper and the order are not required to be sent anywhere, but rather the pool itself will take them from all regular troopers. It is correct that the way the rules are written doesn't explicitly (as is the case for e.g. Hidden Deployment) allow the interpretation that the trooper retains the order outside the order pool, but this is also not something the rules prevent. I do note, however, that there's an unsolved race condition between Isolated (trooper is considered to be irregular) and Inspiring Leadership (trooper is considered to be regular) because they use the same wording and neither change the trooper's actual training. I think that simply put, Isolated's "does not contribute to pool" provides a trump that Inspiring Leadership does not mirror. I think mechanically QueensGambit's parsing is correct and neat since it confirms the casual understanding.
Yes, cases expressly indicated in the rulebook, not cases because potato. With so much potato in the rules explanation I'm going to end up wondering if CB is in the same market as GW or in the Pringles' one.
I personally believe that the correct thing would be for the rules of a State to overwrite any other rule in case of discrepancy. But until the creators speak out, there is no way to know if it is so or not or how.
Sure, if you insist on ignoring precedent, and reason, there’s no way to know how to play at all. You’ll want to schedule a several month break from playing, though, since this won’t be resolved to your satisfaction quickly.
If pretending to understand well how the game works is ignoring precedents and ignoring the reason.... then yes, I agree with you.
Thank you for your comment, from now on I will look for the answer to my doubts about rules not only in what the rulebook allows, but also in what it doesn't prevents.
Not sure if sarcastic or not, but keep in mind that it's not about what the rules do not say, it's about how the rules do not get over-precise like they do for Airborne and Hidden Deployments. I do think that the rules convey a clear message even if they don't mechanically tick when followed to the letter in this case.
