Actually, another reason could be we (based on a small sample size admittedly) are unfortunately also getting a fair bit of 'will play you when you move up to N4' or let me know when your good to play N4 sort of comments, which is really discouraging and comes across as pompous and arrogant. It seems C1 has introduced (or shining a light?) on a fair bit of snobbishment within the community - its only occasional comments but its definitely there - ive had it from about 6 different N4 players and colleagues have had similar. This attitude means you are less likely to go into established N4 communities as you dont want to get looked down upon or ridiculed. Actually there's an example of that attitude in this thread ' it's functionally only any good for literal baby's first wargame with a community that hasn't done table top wargaming before.' Think about someone coming new to a club and hearing that, or think about an established wargamer of 30+ years gaming taking his first look at C1 as likes that its not as in depth as N4 and sees an attitude like that to a game they are interested in playing. It just comes across as a community who thinks their way is the only way and that why would people enjoy simpler games - you see it a lot with Historical or rank and flank players who assume theirs is the only way worth gaming and it was a shame to come across all of this when i stuck my head into the Infinity Communities. Luckily have found some great players locally so if I have questions I tend to go to them rather than coming to a Forum of people who I dont know and I read what some think of a game I am enjoying. Sorry, just realised that turned into a rant but it is an issue, I know of at least 2 who finally took the plunge due to C1 but have now stopped playing Infinity as were pushed to N4 after 1 game of C1, found it too complex/fiddly so have gone back to other systems as the people playing N4 with them ridiculed C1.