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Is Strategos Open Information ?

Discussion in '[Archived]: N3 Rules' started by Eclipse, Jan 17, 2020.

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  1. Eclipse

    Eclipse Spice Dealer

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    Hey guys,

    So here's kind of a weird question because I'm 99% sure I got the answer (Yes.) but it is so non-sensical I feel the urge to ask anyway.

    I mean, the Strategos skill has absolutely zero drawbacks, is absolutly always relevant and useful, and yet it is optionnal, so I assumed it is in order to allow Lt concealing by not using it. However, it doesn't have the private information characteristic, and appears on the courtesy list printed from Infinity Army. I'm playing OSS and this means I absolutly cannot juke Lt with a Shukra, which leaves me quite disapointed :<

    So, is it really open information ?
     
  2. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    Yes, it is open information.
     
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  3. Eclipse

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    FML. Thanks for the quick answer.
     
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    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Well, you know... that's why you have AVA 2 on Shukra and access to Lucien - so that you can deploy a Chain or Command or up to 4 "Shukra with Strategos"
     
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    *Edit: Misremembered the AVA difference between vanilla and OSS, my comment only applies for vanilla ALEPH. OSS could trick the opponent if the skill was hidden information as it has access to a Multi-rifle / CoC profile.

    Even if the skill was private information, Strategos is only available on the multi-rifle Shukra and there is no other multi-rifle Shukra without Strategos.

    The only people you would juke are people with no experience with the faction and who do not have the rulebook available at their disposition.
     
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    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    Apart from the Multi-rifle Shukra with Chain of Command.
     
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  7. Eclipse

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    Actually, there is a CoC Shukra with MR, at least on Infinity Army.
    Operations Subsection of the S.S.S.
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    SHUKRA (Chain of Command) MULTI Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 30)
    SHUKRA Lieutenant (Strategos L1) MULTI Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27)

    0 SWC | 57 Points

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    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    Though the gig would still be up as soon as you used the Lt. Order as a Regular Order.
     
  9. Diphoration

    Diphoration Well-Known Member
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    Oh, oops. I assumed they had the same profiles as in vanilla. Forgot that OSS had an extra profile!

    Disregard my comment!
     
  10. Eclipse

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    Well, I guess something like this really would be too much of a fuckery

    Operations Subsection of the S.S.S.
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]3
    SFORZA (Holoprojector L2) Viral Rifle + Adhesive Launcher, Nanopulser / Heavy Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 30)
    PROXY Mk.2 MULTI Sniper Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 24)
    GARUDA Tacbot Boarding Shotgun / Electric Pulse. (0 | 21)
    SHUKRA Lieutenant (Strategos L1) MULTI Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]2
    ASURA Lieutenant L2 Spitfire, Nanopulser / Pistol, AP CCW. (2 | 72)
    SHUKRA (Chain of Command) MULTI Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 30)

    3.5 SWC | 204 Points

    Open in Infinity Army

    Anyway, this definetly is off-topic, I'll just go with a Deva.
     
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    So much for my two-Marut shell game.
     
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  12. Eclipse

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    Btw, I just noticed by tinkering with ASS a bit that Hector always have Strategos, regardless of him being Lt or not, and therefor being able to use it or not. Why isn't it always the case ? Balance ?
     
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    To encourage you to use him as your Lt. if Hector is on the field, he's going to be the one in charge.
     
  14. Eclipse

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    Or I could do this

    Steel Phalanx
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]3
    PATROCLUS (ODD: Optical Disruptor) MULTI Rifle, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, EXP CCW. (0 | 55)
    EKDROMOS Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Chain Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, DA CCW. (0.5 | 26)
    HECTOR Lieutenant Spitfire, Nanopulser, Stun Grenades + 1 TinBot A / Heavy Pistol, EXP CC Weapon. (2 | 70)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]2
    ACHILLES Lieutenant MULTI Rifle, Nanopulser, D.E.P. / Pistol, EXP CC Weapon. (0 | 74)
    HECTOR Spitfire, Nanopulser, Stun Grenades + 1 TinBot A / Heavy Pistol, EXP CC Weapon. (2 | 70)

    4.5 SWC | 295 Points

    Open in Infinity Army

    Which would be far from perfect point wise (5 points delta, 2 "unfillable" points margin excluded), and ridiculously expensive for the benefits but at least not scream juke when reading the list.
     
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