1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Interested in starting MAF, ITS questions

Discussion in 'Combined Army' started by Q.A.I., Jun 13, 2018.

Tags:
  1. Q.A.I.

    Q.A.I. Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2017
    Messages:
    91
    Likes Received:
    118
    Hey all, thinking I might start MAF and wanted to hear about your ITS experiences. My local meta is pretty small and doesn't have a morat player. I read through the tactica, but wanted to hear some anecdotal experiences

    Objectives: Do you lean heavily on zerats? Who are your favorite specialists? It looks like a "punch first, score later" type force, but how does it handle for you?

    Info war: Who is your favorite hacker? Do you ever forgo hackers? How much do you lean on REMs?

    Thanks all! I may be joining you shortly
     
    Ginrei likes this.
  2. sorniak

    sorniak Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2017
    Messages:
    251
    Likes Received:
    125
    There was some great Moral successes (http://infinitytheforums.com/forum/topic/46545-plebians-morat-list/#comment-889160 ), but be aware - you're playing hardmode with Morats, everything is expensive and not so effective.
    Played with zerats - but not for long. They loose midfield to enemy camo's :( Hackers - the cheapest one is moral vanguard and he is Ok. Has nice program to answer other hakers attack- sucker punch and buffers TR bot...And at least on wonderful baggage bot. Dr. Worm and moral vanguard FO are other valuable specialists. But main course of action is to clean passage and then fulfil the mission - I think the same about Morats.
     
    Golem2God and Q.A.I. like this.
  3. Vaulsc

    Vaulsc Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2017
    Messages:
    268
    Likes Received:
    846
    Use Bit and Kiss.
     
  4. Skjarr

    Skjarr EI Mouthpiece

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2018
    Messages:
    286
    Likes Received:
    361
    I've taken my Morats to a couple of tournaments, a small local one and a large national one and had reasonable success.
    Both used the direct action mission set though and I feel this is where Morats are strongest.
    If the missions don't require loads of (or any) specialists then a Kornak/Raktorak/Suryat core is quite powerful as it the Kornak/Sogorat Haris.
    Also a Daturazi core is great fun and also quite powerful in the right situation.

    For the more button pushy missions they do start behind the 8-ball a bit given the lack of infiltrators bar the Zerat so they have to spend a fair amount of time actually getting to the objectives. It is doable though, Rodoks are one of the best additions to Morats in recent times.
    They aren't easy but once you get your head round how they work they are more than usable and actually great fun. Learn to love grenades, they are quite widespread in the faction and with generally higher than average PH it can open up some different attacking options.
     
    #4 Skjarr, Jun 13, 2018
    Last edited: Jun 13, 2018
  5. Aspect Graviton

    Aspect Graviton Friendly Alien Overlord
    Warcor

    Joined:
    Nov 24, 2017
    Messages:
    789
    Likes Received:
    1,800
    Morats are hard mode but some of their units really level the playing field like the mighty Rodok, mimetism and the ability to attack from unexpected angles or above is super useful.

    Hackers: Bit and Kiss give you some bite morats have previously been lacking and the potential for a decent repeater web, I rather like the Rodok A:HD as it lets you bully HI or tags that you're probably trying to get closer to anyway. going down an info/drone war route I'd also try and squeeze an E-drone. The Q-drone is very good for morats with it's plasma rifle, mimetism and potential for marksmanship and TR gives it some reactive staying power, I'd definately say I lean on ikadrons for some cheap orders in an otherwise expensive faction and a flash pulse turret.

    I see the application of a Zerat but I don't personally use them, I find them generally undewhelming and usually try to get battlefield superiority before doing button pushing, the kurgat B:SG is still probably my favourite specialist in MAF
     
    Golem2God, Q.A.I. and Skjarr like this.
  6. Skjarr

    Skjarr EI Mouthpiece

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2018
    Messages:
    286
    Likes Received:
    361
    I don't use Zerats either, largely because I don't own any and don't like the current models but the times I have proxied I have found them to be underwhelming. Quite expensive for what they offer and massively outclassed by the other infiltrators they find themselves up against early in the game.
     
    Golem2God likes this.
  7. Styx

    Styx Cat.IE~~

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2017
    Messages:
    211
    Likes Received:
    183
    Objectives: focuses on high firefigths with heavy core links also Suryats or medium like Rodoks, they are the best profiles to going playing with tactica. After than, to clean all high priority targets, go to push buttons or clasifieds.
    Best specialist, they aren't the best options, all Morats are focuses better to go punch hard and leave the buttons to robots. Morats have a nice specialist pool, but all of they are the same, only the Zerats doing some task, but they are so squishy and vulnerable like the H.assault, she have a nice profile with D-charges and she can do easy to go push buttons and D-charges clasified on the 1st turn... but, she have the same problem, no camo marker or Steatlh skill. Anyat is the most flexible operator i think, but she are expensive but... carries a some tricks with her, smoke grenades, EM grenades, chain colt, climbing plus and a nice K1 combi to kill the heavy profiles.

    Info War: before Bit's incorporation on CA armies, MAF dosen't know the hardest hacking game, but actually.... Bit+EVO+Assault hacker (Zerat again or Rodok) can do infowar games, but i think... let this game focused on Bit+EVO, and get for free the Zerats and Rodoks other jobs. REMs... always use them, as a FO specialist, extra movement, repeaters for Bit and EVO, and cheap units, Rdrone+Ikadrons are the cheap orders to gain on your heavy list and the M-drone your main specialist; fast, you can put Marksman lvl2 to kill with their combi or doing clasified from FO, and veary cheap specialist on the last turns, like dr.worm.

    [​IMG] Morat Aggression Force
    ──────────────────────────────────────────────────

    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]6 [​IMG]4 [​IMG]5
    [​IMG] OZNAT Vulkan Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 20)
    [​IMG] GAKI AP CCW. (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] GAKI AP CCW. (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] GAKI AP CCW. (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] PRETA Chain Rifle / AP CCW. (0 | 7)
    [​IMG] Bit Hacker (UPGRADE: Expel) Submachine Gun + Pitcher, Deployable Repeater + KISS! / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 19)
    [​IMG] [​IMG] KISS! Adhesive Launcher / Electric Pulse. (- | 4)
    [​IMG] IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    [​IMG] IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    [​IMG] Q-DRONE HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26)
    [​IMG] RASYAT Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 28)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]8 [​IMG]1
    [​IMG] MED-TECH OBSIDON MEDCHANOID Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 23)
    [​IMG] SLAVE DRONE Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    [​IMG] MORAT Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 14)
    [​IMG] E-DRONE Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 28)
    [​IMG] M-DRONE Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 17)
    [​IMG] ZERAT (Forward Observer) Boarding Shotgun, Grenades, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 22)
    [​IMG] KRAKOT RENEGADE Submachine Gun, Chest Mine / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 15)
    [​IMG] ZERAT Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 21)
    [​IMG] ANYAT K1 Combi Rifle, Chain-colt, Smoke Grenades, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25)

    3 SWC | 298 Points

    Open in Infinity Army

    If you want to try playing more tactical or focused in mission games (a lot buttons or classifieds), start with this.

    1- Cheap core team, free orders to run with Rasyat or Q-drone, then go to suicide that deadly core on the second or last turn.
    2- 18 orders.
    3-Group 2, their function do some tricks: EVO+M dron can do stalocks wihtout negatives and discover all things hidden on TO deployment (if u have the luck) and/or discover the camo markers and put on Marker state, then go with the Zerat FO or Anyat and spend all entire orders on Especulative fire on PHYS18s vs enemy -3PHYS, normal grenades or EM grenades, or you can run with 2scnd krakot grenadier gaining with +3PHY on metachemestry dice roll... or runing for free wild with the couple Zerats to clean the mid table with the shootgun or the flamethrower... after that, let for free the Krakot and fun whit the Rasyat.

    I like to go with a couple of Zerats with Krakot, also... other times ill try going with 3 Zerats (AH/Sniper-FO-flamethrower) and 2 Krakots (grenades-submachine-gun/Red Fury), they have a nice simbiothic combo with infiltration + advanced deployement when you have the first turn.

    But, first, go to training with normal list focused on the must used haris/cores, like Yaogats, Rodoks or Kornak's special teams (haris or core) all with suryats. And smoke, a lot of they, some daturazis.Then, you can try this particular list, is the best option to playing dirty with that sectorial and having a lot of orders to do all dirtty tricks.
     
  8. Ginrei

    Ginrei Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2017
    Messages:
    914
    Likes Received:
    428
    Zerats are fine choices if you play them more conservatively from my experience. Having them as a reserve model helps. If I have first turn i place them cautiously. If I don't have first turn I need to be more cautious about deployment. I choose the non specialist Zerats because their loadouts are much better imo. I simply don't trust Zerats enough to run around pushing buttons. I can't deploy them aggressively and they don't have marker state to keep them safe. I find them better suited to laying mines and making intuitive attacks. I try not to feel pressured into making a play with them.

    My favorite specialists are REMs and Dr Worm. I keep them safe and use their 6-4MOV. Bit is a great addition for sure. The Raicho pilot is also decent once you get the hang of her. Any specialists like a Raktorak or Rodok in a fireteam is nice but I don't like these options as much since they have double duties. They're usually defensive or offensive teams and might get pulled in two different directions. My normal strat is to take the E-Drone, M-Drone, Dr Worm, and now Bit. This is where I'm weakest and a good strike can cripple my chances of winning. I do my best to keep them safe.
    I always have hackers but my lists are rarely vulnerable to them. If I use Rodoks defensively I always take the AHD and throw an R-Drone or Pitcher at a target. I lean on REMs a lot. They're good cheerleaders that also have great value. Because I'm getting lots of repeater coverage I try to make it count.
    It handles just as you say from my experience. I just keep an eye on how far forward I push myself early on. The last thing I want is to be easy pickings for few orders.

    I can't get first turn reliably enough to push specialist Zerats. Nor are they safe enough to reach objectives early on. Which means I need to clear paths. I do this and use fast specialists to score, which is what I prefer. The other option is taking a specialist up field in a core team or Raicho but I find this awkward. So instead, I need to be aware of the orders it may take for a specialists to move out and complete an objective. There is no HD specialist to save my bacon.

    Luckily, I find Morat options to play in this style varied. Oznat's, Dats, Hungries, Zerats, etc can make life difficult for my opponent. They escort a Plasma Q-drone well. I like to take a Rasyat as it's a great counter to dangerous threats. I don't want to give my opponent space to breath. Which makes it difficult for me to take a Raicho or Suryat haris because I'm low on points. I prefer a single Feuerbach Sogarat to cover large fire lanes.

    Outside specialists, my biggest problem is dealing with long range threats. A Rodok core is expensive. A Raicho is expensive. One Rasyat, Q-Drone, whatever, isn't reliable. I want something with great modifiers to win those battles and I frankly find it very difficult to do so without breaking the bank. This is the only faction where i typically rely on my Doctor to save the day. Choosing a LT doesn't help in saving points either. Tacking it on to the Sogarat or Rodok(7pts grrr) is usually my favorite choice but the Yaogat is hard to ignore as well.

    EDIT: Eclipse+HMG or Smoke+MSV are options for long range threats but again, I find them expensive. Maybe I should turn the Q-Drone to an HMG instead and take a Yaogat sniper... so hard to decide.
     
    #8 Ginrei, Jun 13, 2018
    Last edited: Jun 13, 2018
    Golem2God and Q.A.I. like this.
  9. TheDiceAbide

    TheDiceAbide Thank you for your compliance.
    Warcor

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2017
    Messages:
    951
    Likes Received:
    3,129
    Zerats are amazing specialists, the Forward Observer in particular. Not only is she a competent specialist, she's an amazing DataTracker in missions where killing enemy Designated Targets is an objective, deploying 3 of them lets you pick whichever is closest to the enemy HVT as your DataTracker. I generally take 3 Forward Observers whenever possible, and would take more than one in vanilla if possible. Kurgats are my second go-to specialist choice, they are far more than just an engineer, they litter the field in mines, carry D-Charges and a linked MK12, often times I'm taking a Haris, plus two boarding shotguns. Anyat is another must-have, she is in nearly 100% of my lists, she has a fantastic tool kit, and able to get anywhere she needs to with Climbing Plus. Finally, the Med-Tech Obsidon Medchanoid (aka Dr Worm) is a common choice, he's a solid doctor and engineer, and covering both roles at once is pretty handy, though I don't really rely on doctors to accomplish a whole ton.

    Other good specialist options include the Rodok paramedic, which is inexpensive and an effective fighter, and M-Drones, which are fast, and highly buffable.

    I wouldn't skip hacking entirely, AHDs are damn fun. Bit and Kiss is a great choice of hacker, she'll at the very least help remove enemy hackers, for buffing I prefer the E-Drone, plus a couple of Ikadrons and R-Drones to spread repeater coverage (not only for buffing, but for using Exile). If you do take a Rodok link, getting an AHD in there is quite nice, there's nothing like a sixth sense L2 AHD when the enemy is skulking around the table.

    As the name implies, I've found that the Morat Aggression Force plays best when played aggressively. Using brutal offensive links like Rodoks, keeping your enemy on their back foot is very important. I love starting with a Hungry link shooting up one side of the board, only to drop the link to form a Rodok core to mop up the middle.
     
    Golem2God and Q.A.I. like this.
  • About Us

    We are a company founded in 2001 in Cangas (Spain), and devoted to design and manufacture games and figures. Our main product, Infinity the Game, was born with the ambition to satisfy the most demanding audience, offering the best quality.

     

    Why are we here?

     

    Because we are, first and foremost, players.

  • Quick Navigation

    Open the Quick Navigation