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Initial look on the current O-12 Units

Discussion in 'O-12' started by Wyrmnax, Jul 23, 2019.

  1. Wyrmnax

    Wyrmnax Well-Known Member

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    So, quick look and first thoughs on the new O-12 units:


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    Epsilon - Right now, the real winner on the main (no fireteam) faction. It is a cheaper Nisse, and Nisses are great. Honestly, I am getting really tired of MSV + mimetism units - it feels like CB finally figured that it is the most cost-effective way to make a shooty unit and is going balls to the wall with it.
    However, different from Mukhtars, this actualy makes sense on this faction.

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    Delta - AD with some itneresting options. Dropping doctors is interesting - although not sure if its gonna be worth it. Dropping panzerfaust might be situational, but could potentially be *very* nasty. Riotstoppers are still a question as we don't know what they do. So far, looks like most of the profiles are ok drop options, but with a couple that might be situationally very good.

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    Gangbusters - MSV + mimestism. Again. Overall, decent skirmishers. Lack of camo might make them easier to handle than standard camo roadblocks, but due to msv they are better than normal at removing skirmishers from the other side on their active turn. Madtraps in the middle of the table are *nasty*, but thankfully the chance of them deploying on your face is slow due to the very low PH.

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    Gamma: Full Auto 1 and the choice of HMG or Feuerbach on a heavy HI chassis. Not *fantastic* given its cost, but good enough. FA1 makes Feuerbach be a option instead of a ignored profile - competing with the higher B of a HMG is always rough, and B2 is usually just too fickle. B3 helps that nicely. The HMG has the BS and B to brute force almost anything in the game, and the feuer is a nice option that can keep any MBTAG in check, while still having enough B to be reliable.

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    Hyppolita: Standard myrmidon character. Eclipse is always good to have, but does not combo well with MSV2 that the faction has access to. Otherwise nearly identical to Perseus. A bit on the expensive side to be armed only with a Breaker Combi, but thats a given with Myrmidons.

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    Kappa - Standard cheerleader LI. They are basically more expensive fusiliers, with a couple of decent options ( 15 pts hacking device being one ). Not much to write home about withouth a fireteam - besides the super cheap way to get REMs on the table and supportware for them.
     
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  2. MrNailbrain

    MrNailbrain Relentless Optimist

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    I really wouldn’t sleep on the Gamma Feuerbach profile. Feuerbachs have interesting rangebands past 32” and it’s a good option for outranging HMGs, Panzerfausts, etc.

    Same with the Delta Unit. There’s 2 profiles in there that could really take off if the Riotstopper is what I hope it will be. The FO in particular can accomplish a lot of Classifieds and is in a great position to do so, walking into a board edge. In addition, at 23 (!!!!!) points, it’s not inconceivable to have two Deltas. My pick is probably an FO and a Doctor, I don’t think the Yudbot is necessary.

    With the exception of the Gangbusters, I feel like most of the other profiles are pretty safe, sane design decisions. I still don’t know how to feel about Gangbusters, I feel like it’s a matchup and table thing. Either they get killed in order 1 or 2; or they go nuts and run the midfield. The combi/riotstopper/madtraps is likely to be the workhorse profile - I don’t think that the midfield is a safe place for a non-marker-state hacker even if he is a KHD. It’s just an easy way to dispose of the Madtraps.

    I’m super excited to see the rules for the whole faction in a week or so. The Zeta TAG has me pretty much tingling with excitement.
     
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  3. MikeTheScrivener

    MikeTheScrivener O-12 Peace Kepper

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    Just viewing these profiles without greater context is kind of tough tbh. But its all we got at the moment and I love speculating.

    I agree the Esilon is the clear "winner" if there was one in these profiles. That HMG is going to be really nasty on the active turn. I wish they gave us that sculpt instead of the MSR.

    I think Gangbuster is a hard no.2 for me. I really really like this unit. I plan on taking the Combi version and sticking him prone on a roof top and gumming up the field with madtraps. When I get the orders I'm going to move him to the edge and go suppressive. That's a lot of defense. Riotstoppers are rumored to be DTW adhesive.

    I like the Gamma aswell, I can see myself taking him every so often – it really all depends on what else is in the faction though. If he's our biggest gun besides the Zeta TAG, I'll probably take him frequently. If he's competing with a similar, but cheaper HI then he may be left on the shelf.

    Delta is cool. You can easily fit two of these in a list at their price point. they're good specialists and decent fighters. very well rounded. But they have a problem which is addressed with the Kappa.

    Kappas are fine. Elite line troop is always fun. But if they're our cheapest regular order outside of an AVA1 8-point bot there are going to be some rippling problems. This obviously will limit the amount of orders O-12 is going to be able to field and will further hurt the delta because their order is denied at the start. if lists will run 12-13 orders you're probably not going to even want to take a single AD trooper never mind 2, just because you have so few orders to work with. Hacker is great though!

    Hippolyta is okay I guess. She pretty much runs on her own engine with ODD - impetuous - eclipse grenades and a breaker combi. She's expensive though. I'm not sure if I can see myself running her. She may be a proxy for a Varangian guard, whatever they may be.
     
  4. tox

    tox SorriBarai
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    Fixed. You made a typo...
     
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  5. SpectralOwl

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    A note about Doctor Delta; having the Yudbot means you get two rolls to land AD:4 right on whatever you want to save, and Hackers can only interfere with one at a time. This makes it just about the only reliable and fast way I know of to save troops stuck Unconscious deep in enemy territory but out of LoS. Could be a real boon if O-12 gets a Superior Infiltrator, Impersonator or another good solo rambo that starts among the enemy's troops.

    Kappa, Gamma and Epsilon are all good, but bland.

    Gangbusters could be fun; the Mimetism, MSV and MadTraps combine well to mess with most Infiltrators trying to take early objectives, and I've used Guilangs enough that I can see the potential here for knocking out annoying Tohaa and Phalanx snipers.

    Hippo is a Myrmidon Officer with a perfect record attending Leg Day and an actual license to kill and maim. The Peacekeeper rule really does have horrifying lore implications, doesn't it?
     
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  6. daszul

    daszul Well-Known Member

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    About that Yudbot - is Ghost: Server just a typo or something different fronm Ghost: Servant?
     
  7. colbrook

    colbrook Black Fryer

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    It's a typo, confirmed by IJW
     
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  8. Brother Smoke

    Brother Smoke Bureau Trimurti Representative

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    All of these are lean and mean. I can easily see myself including an FO or doctor Delta in my lists, even without knowing what a riotstopper does, and for 21 points the SMG gangbuster is a steal
    Everything in these profiles looks fantastic to me. Nothing is superfluous and there is no bloat. These guys are as high-speed-low-drag as it gets
     
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  9. tox

    tox SorriBarai
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    Remember that probably they won't have any kind of mines, any Koala (only Mad Traps), any flamethrower (or any Fire ammo'ed weapon) or chain rifle, low to none E/M or Viral...
    If this reflects in game, it is a huge disadvantage...
     
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  10. daszul

    daszul Well-Known Member

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    Well, they have Nanopulsers, Feuerbach, Shock Marksman Rifle, Missile Launcher - which are all prohibited...
     
  11. Section9

    Section9 Well-Known Member

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    Could be a case of either "The law is for thee, and not for me," or "Anyone using these weapons will be stopped by any means necessary, even if it requires the use of prohibited weapons to accomplish." Between those two, I would expect the second, as O12 seems to be built around the idea of the UN-with-teeth.

    But I still think that, just like today's weapon Conventions, the prohibited part is using them on humans. Using a ML or Feuerbach against a building or a TAG is legit. Not so much if you're using it directly against a human. And of course, using those weapons against non-humans like the Tohaa or Combined is perfectly legal.
     
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  12. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    I'm more cynical, so I'd expect it's the former.

    And in some cases (*Tohaa* coughcough) laudable.
     
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  13. Papa Bey

    Papa Bey Clueless Wonder. Still.

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    Out of curiosity, this "joke" is what? A decade old? Why is it being chewed to death?
     
  14. daszul

    daszul Well-Known Member

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    I think those restrictions were already in place before the first contact with CA/Tohaa.
    But the destinction between civilians and military might be important.
    Even today the military uses weapons that are prohibited for the average joe.
     
  15. Abrilete

    Abrilete Well-Known Member

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    LOL, just like using nukes against terrain.
     
  16. MerloyJenkils

    MerloyJenkils Well-Known Member

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    I am assuming the riot stopper will be some kind of stun template weapon. Because of the version normal and light, big and small template, etc.
     
  17. Solar

    Solar Well-Known Member

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    I always just assumed that most of the weaponry in the book being illegal under international law was a joke.
     
  18. Kaielden

    Kaielden New Member

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    Methinks it's a Light Shotgun that loads Stun/Flash Ammo since the design is very similar to the Flash Pulse attachment on the new Aleph Rebots.
     
  19. MerloyJenkils

    MerloyJenkils Well-Known Member

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    @Solar
    Me too actually! :)
     
  20. Wyrmnax

    Wyrmnax Well-Known Member

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    So, resume of new profiles from beyond:

    Gamma just got relegated to Ratnik because both Omega and Betta are simply *better* Its basically a HMG Orc with ODD for under 50 pts and a Hollowman with Mimetism (And specialist too on the profile revealed)
    Mr Jose Cuervo is a better diomedes. Might still be too expensive ( same problem that Diomedes has in the first place)