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How to best use Charontid?

Discussion in 'Combined Army' started by John Benford, Feb 19, 2020.

  1. John Benford

    John Benford Member

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    It’s been a while since I have used Charontid in vanilla combined army. I have been using Shasvastii a lot but would like to try out new things.

    I believe the best profile is the MSV3 one. In the past I always took the hmg version for higher burst and longer range bands compared to the plasma rifle. Although the template and extra damage is tempting.

    what about this list as a balanced army that can take on most missions and threats? Any advice much appreciated.

    Please post your own Charontid lists that you have used well in the past.


    Combined Army──────────────────────────────────────────────────GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10 [​IMG]2 CHARONTID Lieutenant (Multispectral Visor L3) HMG, Nanopulser / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (2 | 79) IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9) IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9) R-DRONE Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8) R-DRONE Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8) Bit Hacker (UPGRADE: Expel) Submachine Gun + Pitcher, Deployable Repeater + KISS! / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 19) [​IMG] KISS! Adhesive Launcher / Electric Pulse. (- | 4) KERR-NAU (UPGRADE: White Noise) Plasma Rifle + Pitcher, D-Charges / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27) MED-TECH OBSIDON MEDCHANOID (Journalist L1) Submachine Gun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 22) SLAVE DRONE Electric Pulse. (0 | 3) DĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 14) DĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 14)GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]4 [​IMG]5 [​IMG]4 ZERAT Red Fury, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 25) SHROUDED (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25) LIBERTO (Minelayer) Light Shotgun, Chain-colt, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 10) ÍMETRON . (0 | 4) ÍMETRON . (0 | 4) TAIGHA Chain-colt / AP + Shock CCW. (0 | 5) TAIGHA Chain-colt / AP + Shock CCW. (0 | 5) TAIGHA Chain-colt / AP + Shock CCW. (0 | 5) TAIGHA Chain-colt / AP + Shock CCW. (0 | 5) 4 SWC | 300 PointsOpen in Infinity Army
     
  2. Spinnaker

    Spinnaker Vanguard Officer

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    My main issue is probably the inclusion of both Bit and Kiss and Kerr-Nau. Kerr-Nau is pretty expensive, and you probably don't need the extre KHD. Taking him out and swapping one taiga for another slave drone would let you include a Q-Drone HMG, and at that point you might consider swapping the Zerat for an E-Drone (both to buff the Q-Drone, and to stick overclock on the Imetrons and R-Drones).

    Combined Army
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10 [​IMG]2
    CHARONTID Lieutenant (Multispectral Visor L3) HMG, Nanopulser / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (2 | 79)
    IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    R-DRONE Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    R-DRONE Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    Bit Hacker (UPGRADE: Expel) Submachine Gun + Pitcher, Deployable Repeater + KISS! / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 19)
    [​IMG] KISS! Adhesive Launcher / Electric Pulse. (- | 4)
    MED-TECH OBSIDON MEDCHANOID (Journalist L1) Submachine Gun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 22)
    SLAVE DRONE Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    SLAVE DRONE Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    DĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 14)
    DĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 14)
    Q-DRONE HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]4 [​IMG]4 [​IMG]3
    SHROUDED (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25)
    LIBERTO (Minelayer) Light Shotgun, Chain-colt, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 10)
    ÍMETRON . (0 | 4)
    ÍMETRON . (0 | 4)
    TAIGHA Chain-colt / AP + Shock CCW. (0 | 5)
    TAIGHA Chain-colt / AP + Shock CCW. (0 | 5)
    TAIGHA Chain-colt / AP + Shock CCW. (0 | 5)
    E-DRONE Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 28)

    5 SWC | 300 Points

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    Another very nice option would be to leave the Zerat, in and take a Caliban chain of command in place of Kerr-Nau - the Charontid is an obvious lieutenant so it'd be an extra layer of security, plus who doesn't like eating people?

    Combined Army
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10 [​IMG]2
    CHARONTID Lieutenant (Multispectral Visor L3) HMG, Nanopulser / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (2 | 79)
    IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    R-DRONE Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    R-DRONE Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    Bit Hacker (UPGRADE: Expel) Submachine Gun + Pitcher, Deployable Repeater + KISS! / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 19)
    [​IMG] KISS! Adhesive Launcher / Electric Pulse. (- | 4)
    MED-TECH OBSIDON MEDCHANOID (Journalist L1) Submachine Gun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 22)
    SLAVE DRONE Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    SLAVE DRONE Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    DĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 14)
    DĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 14)
    CALIBAN (Chain of Command) Submachine Gun, Pulzar, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife, CC Weapon. (0 | 29)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]4 [​IMG]4 [​IMG]3
    SHROUDED (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25)
    LIBERTO (Minelayer) Light Shotgun, Chain-colt, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 10)
    ÍMETRON . (0 | 4)
    ÍMETRON . (0 | 4)
    TAIGHA Chain-colt / AP + Shock CCW. (0 | 5)
    TAIGHA Chain-colt / AP + Shock CCW. (0 | 5)
    TAIGHA Chain-colt / AP + Shock CCW. (0 | 5)
    ZERAT Red Fury, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 25)

    4 SWC | 300 Points

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  3. Sabin76

    Sabin76 Well-Known Member

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    No need for CoC with G:Mnemonica

    Or rather, your need for one is diminished greatly.
     
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  4. RobertShepherd

    RobertShepherd Brisk antipodean

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    I always had a big soft spot for the Hacking Device Plus Charontid. It means needing to find other ways to secure the long range game, but it brings a WIP16 hacker with a great suite of programs (including white noise and cybermask), thereby also being a specialist, without giving up being a BS14 plasma-armed heavy infantry. I think the last list I played it paired it with a Raicho and an impetuous gribblies secondary combat group, but there's probably a few ways to play it.

    Edit: a little something like this

    Return of the chonk
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]9 [​IMG]1
    CHARONTID Lieutenant Hacker (Hacking Device Plus) Plasma Rifle, Nanopulser / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 73)
    RAICHO MULTI HMG + Heavy Flamethrower / . (2 | 89)
    [​IMG] RAICHO PILOT 2 Heavy Pistols, D-Charges, Knife. ()
    LIBERTO (Minelayer) Light Shotgun, Chain-colt, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 10)
    Q-DRONE HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26)
    ÍMETRON . (0 | 4)
    ÍMETRON . (0 | 4)
    R-DRONE Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    R-DRONE Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]3 [​IMG]2 [​IMG]3
    Bit Hacker (UPGRADE: Expel) Submachine Gun + Pitcher, Deployable Repeater + KISS! / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 19)
    [​IMG] KISS! Adhesive Launcher / Electric Pulse. (- | 4)
    KURGAT Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 17)
    DĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 14)
    TAIGHA Chain-colt / AP + Shock CCW. (0 | 5)
    TAIGHA Chain-colt / AP + Shock CCW. (0 | 5)
    5 SWC | 300 Points
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  5. toadchild

    toadchild EI Aspect

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    My go-to Charontid loadouts are MSV HMG or HD+ Plasma. The HMG is a straight up fire superiority piece that’s hard for your opponent to put down, and the hacker is a highly durable specialist with a good set of tools.
     
  6. Snowball

    Snowball Well-Known Member

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    That’s a real tough call to make with choosing mnemonica or NWI since both require a null state to activate. I usually bring a CoC caliban when I take a charontid or anathematic LT these days in case I absolutely need to keep them going and forfeit the mnemonica state.
     
  7. Sabin76

    Sabin76 Well-Known Member

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    Huh, since dead is a null state, I had always assumed you could transfer after going NWI and subsequently losing that last wound. Was I playing it wrong?
     
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  8. RobertShepherd

    RobertShepherd Brisk antipodean

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    Nope, that's correct.
     
  9. Vaulsc

    Vaulsc Well-Known Member

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    Here's how I roll with it.

     
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  10. Aspect Graviton

    Aspect Graviton Friendly Alien Overlord
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    While I more commonly roll with the HMG MSV3 I often take the HD+ plasma version.

    With both I tend to find that bringing a back up specialist is extremely worthwhile, it means you can go to town with your alien death machine and if it eventually dies you get a free WIP 16 kerr nau or malignos with which to fulfill your button pushing or combat needs.

    The HMG is a proper warmachine you generally want to pair with smoke (like 2+ Daturatzi) I like datz as if you don't go to kill frenzy with them you can helicopter parent your big scary gun platform to keep it safe from oniwaban, raul spectre or whatever nasty flanking stealth CC monster your opponent is possibly banking on killing your Sharon after it shoots up their link team/ARO monster/MBT.

    Combined Army
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    [​IMG]10 [​IMG]2
    CHARONTID Lieutenant (Multispectral Visor L3) HMG, Nanopulser / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (2 | 79)
    DĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 14)
    DĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 14)
    KERR-NAU (UPGRADE: White Noise) Plasma Rifle + Pitcher, D-Charges / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27)
    OVERDRON 2 Heavy Rocket Launchers / . (2 | 61)
    [​IMG] STALDRON Flash Pulse / Knife. (0 | 0)
    NOCTIFER Missile Launcher / Assault Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 32)
    MED-TECH OBSIDON MEDCHANOID (Journalist L1) Submachine Gun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 22)
    SLAVE DRONE Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    SLAVE DRONE Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    E-DRONE Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 28)
    R-DRONE Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)

    6 SWC | 300 Points

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    The HD+ also probably wants a babysitter, I tend to lean in on hacking if I'm doing this so an umbra HD+, Kermit the frog (kerrnau) again and an E-drone for some combined order cybermask, big gun you're probably looking at a Q-HMG which you can use aggressively (not as an ARO piece) probably though white noise with some marksmanship.

    Combined Army
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10 [​IMG]2
    CHARONTID Lieutenant Hacker (Hacking Device Plus) Plasma Rifle, Nanopulser / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 73)
    UMBRA LEGATE Hacker (Hacking Device Plus) Boarding Shotgun, Flash Pulse / Pistol, DA CCW. (0.5 | 43)
    KERR-NAU (UPGRADE: White Noise) Plasma Rifle + Pitcher, D-Charges / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27)
    E-DRONE Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 28)
    Q-DRONE HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26)
    DĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 14)
    DĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 14)
    IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    M-DRONE Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 17)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]1 [​IMG]3 [​IMG]3
    TAIGHA Chain-colt / AP + Shock CCW. (0 | 5)
    TAIGHA Chain-colt / AP + Shock CCW. (0 | 5)
    TAIGHA Chain-colt / AP + Shock CCW. (0 | 5)
    SLAVE DRONE Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    MED-TECH OBSIDON MEDCHANOID (Journalist L1) Submachine Gun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 22)

    2.5 SWC | 300 Points

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  11. Spinnaker

    Spinnaker Vanguard Officer

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    Completely forgot about that, lol. I guess the engineer version would be pretty good instead, in case the Charontid gets immobilised somewhere where you can't get to it, or alternately maybe a malignos specialist.
     
  12. Snowball

    Snowball Well-Known Member

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    I had to double check myself, but on the wiki it shows that the dead state is it’s own state since the model is immediately removed from play. Under mnemonica it says that once you transfer the origional model enters the dead state and removed from play. But looking up what a null state is is kinda muddy since it’s actually a trait of other states like unconscious, possessed, disconnected and sepsitorized.

    I’ll keep digging since I could have swore HSN3 changed how mnemonica works with NWI
     
  13. Snowball

    Snowball Well-Known Member

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    Never mind I’m an idiot, I see the null label on the dead state now lol.
     
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  14. Sabin76

    Sabin76 Well-Known Member

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    It also says that it's removed from play at the end of the order and I believe you get the chance to activate Mnemonica before that.
     
  15. John Benford

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    I quite like taking both, Bit and Kiss along with Kerr-Nau. If you are going to take hacking threat, then doubling up sounds good. Plus I like Kerr-Nau for white noise shooting at visor miniatures.

    I don't think the E-drone will provide much in this list. No AD troops.
     
  16. John Benford

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    I like this list. The overdone with two heavy rocket launchers seem like a good ARO distraction. Not any Infiltrating specialists. Not sure I like the idea of limited insertion. My list had a lot of miniatures that my opponent would have to deal with.

    What is the point of the E-drone in this list?
     
  17. John Benford

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    I like the idea of having both an Anathematic and a Charontid in the same list, but it does seem to be a lot of points sink. I think Sheskiin in place of the Anathematic would be a better gun platform.

    I believe the Seed-soldier can not be the Liaison officer because the seed embryo does not have any skills assigned to it.
     
  18. colbrook

    colbrook Black Fryer

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    At a guess:

    Overclock for burst 2 on Ikadrona and R-Drone
    Reboot to protect TAG and Charontid from hacking
     
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  19. John Benford

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    Since the new rules from N2 to N3 in regards to loss of LT, and the increase in COC, I believe G:Mnemonica has been watered down considerable. Wonder if N4 will have any interesting update to this specific rule?

    I would rather take the Caliban with engineer. Just in case the Charontid gets isolated, that will be loss of LT and in a heap of trouble.
     
  20. John Benford

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    If I wanted a super durable and reliable specialist surely the Anathematic HD+ would be better?

    Strange that I have never taken the Anathematic with Sepsitor. Probably because there are so many units that don't have cubes now :(