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How do you Vanilla?

Discussion in 'ALEPH' started by BarbeChenue, Feb 15, 2019.

  1. BarbeChenue

    BarbeChenue Well-Known Member

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    Apart from trying to fit a Marut in every possible list (https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/great-marut-lists.24612/#post-142479), I'm trying to understand how to play ALEPH Vanilla in general. (I'm also reading older forum pages, but post-Third Offensive lists are more up-to-date.)

    I've tried several permutations of the same lists, over and over again, and I'm never quite satisfied. I want too many things at once: many many cheap orders from REMs, a TAG (Achilles is a TAG), and Posthumans (bit of an auto: include Mk1, 2, & 5) are a start. Now I struggle with the rest. Garudas, Nagas, finding points for Dart, unlinked Dakinis in Vanilla, etc.

    The Apsara Killer Hacker seems like a good cheap option that I want to include, if only because it fills a good role, can guard my DZ, creep towards objectives, and disincentivize opponents entering my Repeater network (which, as you may have noticed, is going to cover half the board). I love having cheap and fast specialists, and Sensor is a good mechanic. With two Lamedh and two Daleth you can use a Coordinated Order to move them all at once and simultaneously drop a sensor from all four (there is no target, so the short skill can be used by all).

    I know I want to abuse Smoke tricks, but the Asuras aren't cheap, and Maruts need the list to be run around them very specifically.

    17O+Lt for Achilles
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]9 [​IMG]1
    ACHILLES Lieutenant Spitfire, Nanopulser / Pistol, EXP CCW. (2.5 | 75)
    DALETH Rebot Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 17)
    DALETH Rebot Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 17)
    LAMEDH Rebot Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    LAMEDH Rebot Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    NETROD . (0 | 4)
    WARCOR (Aerocam) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 3)
    PROBOT (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    PROBOT (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    DAKINI Tacbot HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 21)
    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]6 [​IMG]1
    MYRMIDON Chain Rifle, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 16)
    DEVA (Multispectral Visor L2) Spitfire, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 33)
    APSARA (Killer Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 19)
    PROXY Mk.1 Doctor (MediKit) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    PROXY Mk.2 Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 21)
    PROXY Mk.5 (Forward Observer) 2 Submachine Guns, Nanopulser, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    LIBERTO Submachine Gun, Chain-colt, D.E.P. / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 8)
    NETROD . (0 | 4)
    NETROD . (0 | 4)
    5 SWC | 300 Points
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    16O+Lt for Achilles
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]8 [​IMG]1
    ACHILLES Lieutenant Spitfire, Nanopulser / Pistol, EXP CCW. (2.5 | 75)
    THORAKITES Engineer Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 18)
    YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    DALETH Rebot Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 17)
    DALETH Rebot Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 17)
    LAMEDH Rebot Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    LAMEDH Rebot Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    PROBOT (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    NETROD . (0 | 4)
    WARCOR (Aerocam) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 3)
    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]6 [​IMG]1
    DEVA (Multispectral Visor L2) Spitfire, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 33)
    PROBOT Hacker (EVO Hacking Device) Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 25)
    APSARA (Killer Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 19)
    PROXY Mk.1 Doctor (MediKit) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    PROXY Mk.2 Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 21)
    PROXY Mk.5 (Forward Observer) 2 Submachine Guns, Nanopulser, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    LIBERTO (Minelayer) Light Shotgun, Chain-colt, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 10)
    NETROD . (0 | 4)
    NETROD . (0 | 4)
    5.5 SWC | 300 Points
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    I don't know if I'm doing it wrong. Can you guys share your most interesting Vanilla lists?

    I want list that can tear through Varuna and TAK, beat deployment zone Fidays, and won't simply fold to a Fireteam of Warbands toting any levels of Martial Arts and Direct Template Weapons...

    Edit: I just realized my attempts are a bit in the same vein as @Teslarod 's lists from here: https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/what-do-your-vanilla-lists-look-like-now.25021/#post-154806 ; I'd be curious to hear more on this topic, now that that month's have passed.
     
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  2. Omen

    Omen Active Member

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    I’m trying to get better with limited insertion. So I have this list as a core frame and then tune it for specific scenarios.( second version is for hunting party )

    I try and take mid ranged models like dart, taucer patraclus. so i have several ways i can approach a problem. I find when i take a piece like achillies ive put to many eggs in one basket. {all be it one heck of a basket.} and im missing a tool that could change the game for me.

    Aleph LI Basics
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    MACHAON Lieutenant Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0.5 | 38)
    DART Submachine Gun, Viral Tactical Bow, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon, Knife. (0 | 34)
    PATROCLUS (ODD: Optical Disruptor) Spitfire, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, EXP CCW. (1.5 | 57)
    PROXY Mk.1 Engineer Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    PROXY Mk.2 MULTI Sniper Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 24)
    PROXY Mk.5 (Forward Observer) 2 Submachine Guns, Nanopulser, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    THORAKITES (Forward Observer, 360º Visor) Submachine gun, Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13)
    DAKINI Tacbot Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0 | 15)
    SHAKTI Hacker (Killer Hacking Device. UPGRADE: Sucker Punch) Mk12, E/Marat / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (0 | 40)
    TEUCER (Multispectral Visor L2) Feuerbach, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 48)
    LAMEDH Rebot Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    WARCOR (Aerocam) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 3)

    5.5 SWC | 300 Points

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    Aleph Hunting party
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    MACHAON Lieutenant Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0.5 | 38)
    DART Submachine Gun, Viral Tactical Bow, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon, Knife. (0 | 34)
    PATROCLUS (ODD: Optical Disruptor) Spitfire, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, EXP CCW. (1.5 | 57)
    PROXY Mk.1 Engineer Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    DACTYL Engineer Combi Rifle, Adhesive-Launcher, D-Charges / 2 Breaker Pistols, Knife. (0 | 23)
    PROXY Mk.5 (Forward Observer) 2 Submachine Guns, Nanopulser, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    PROXY Mk.2 Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 21)
    THORAKITES (360º Visor) Submachine gun, Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)
    TEUCER (Multispectral Visor L2) Feuerbach, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 48)
    DAKINI Tacbot Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0 | 13)
    MYRMIDON Chain Rifle, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 16)
    THORAKITES (360º Visor) Submachine gun, Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)
    YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)

    4.5 SWC | 300 Points

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  3. Solodice

    Solodice Freshly Squeezed Troll

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    How do I vanilla Aleph? Much of what I do hasn't changed too much from N2. Vanilla Aleph has just gotten more options since then.

    Rarely do I ever get past 12/13 units. I'm not the biggest fan of ITS but I can build lists for the missions and play them.

    This was a quick slap together list (like on the spot) for acquisition against JSA so I guess you can call it interesting.

    ALEPH
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    DEVA Lieutenant (Sensor) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 24)
    SHUKRA (Chain of Command) Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25)
    ARJUNA Spitfire, D-Charges / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 40)
    [​IMG] x2 KIRANBOT E/Marat, Cybermines / Electric Pulse. (8)
    YADU (NCO) HMG / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (2 | 41)
    EKDROMOS Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Chain Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, DA CCW. (0.5 | 26)
    PROXY Mk.1 Engineer Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    PROXY Mk.2 MULTI Sniper Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 24)
    PROXY Mk.5 (Forward Observer) 2 Submachine Guns, Nanopulser, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    NAGA (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 28)
    NAGA (Minelayer) Boarding Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 27)
    DASYU (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 36)
    LAMEDH Rebot Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)

    6 SWC | 299 Points

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    I'm a big fan of Aleph's mid-field units so they're usually a big focus of my lists. Also this was the first time I've played Aleph since OSS came out so I wanted to try out some of the new units and slotted in the Shukra, Arjuna, and Yadu. I wanted to fit Dart in but then I felt I was to low on SWC so I went with the Arjuna spitfire instead.

    For the most part it checks off almost everything I like to have covered. The only thing I didn't do that would complete my checklist was put in an MSV unit. I'm comfortable enough employing soft counters (template weapons and mines) to get around camo and other visual modifiers. That and I had a sensor unit and sniffer bot to help out. So not having an MSV didn't hamper me but I think I'll put one in next time.
     
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  4. kinginyellow

    kinginyellow Well-Known Member

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    Gonna post 3 lists for ya guys that I have found to be rather effective, and when playing it, gets a lot of the power of aleph imho. They are a LI, Achilles list, and my standard 17 order list. These are all tournament lists that I have brought to local or dire state events and have won or gotten in top 3.

    [​IMG] Main LI
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    [​IMG] PROXY Mk.1 Doctor (MediKit) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    [​IMG] YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    [​IMG] PROXY Mk.2 Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 21)
    [​IMG] PROXY Mk.4 HMG, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 25)
    [​IMG] ATALANTA MULTI Sniper Rifle + TinBot E (Spotter) / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 39)
    [​IMG] DART Submachine Gun, Viral Tactical Bow, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon, Knife. (0 | 34)
    [​IMG] MYRMIDON OFFICER Lieutenant Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0.5 | 31)
    [​IMG] MYRMIDON Spitfire, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (1 | 31)
    [​IMG] NAGA (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 28)
    [​IMG] NAGA (Minelayer) Boarding Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 27)
    [​IMG] SHUKRA (Chain of Command) Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25)
    [​IMG] DALETH Rebot Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 17)
    [​IMG] LAMEDH Rebot Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    6 SWC | 299 Points

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    [​IMG] Achilles
    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10
    [​IMG] ACHILLES Lieutenant Spitfire, Nanopulser / Pistol, EXP CCW. (2.5 | 75)
    [​IMG] PROXY Mk.1 Engineer Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    [​IMG] YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    [​IMG] PROXY Mk.5 (Forward Observer) 2 Submachine Guns, Nanopulser, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    [​IMG] MYRMIDON OFFICER (Chain of Command) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (1 | 36)
    [​IMG] DAKINI Tacbot HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 21)
    [​IMG] DALETH Rebot Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 17)
    [​IMG] PROBOT (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    [​IMG] PROBOT (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    [​IMG] NETROD . (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] NETROD . (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] NETROD . (0 | 4)
    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]5 [​IMG]1
    [​IMG] NAGA Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 30)
    [​IMG] ZAYIN Rebot HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26)
    [​IMG] DANAVAS Hacker (Hacking Device Plus. UPGRADE: Maestro) Combi Rifle + Pitcher / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 25)
    [​IMG] LAMEDH Rebot Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    [​IMG] LAMEDH Rebot Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    [​IMG] WARCOR (Aerocam) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 3)
    6 SWC | 300 Points

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    [​IMG] Aleph Main
    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10
    [​IMG] PROXY Mk.1 Engineer Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    [​IMG] YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    [​IMG] PROXY Mk.2 MULTI Sniper Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 24)
    [​IMG] PROXY Mk.5 (Forward Observer) 2 Submachine Guns, Nanopulser, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    [​IMG] MYRMIDON Spitfire, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (1 | 31)
    [​IMG] NAGA (Minelayer) Boarding Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 27)
    [​IMG] DEVA Lieutenant Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 23)
    [​IMG] DAKINI Tacbot HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 21)
    [​IMG] PROBOT (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    [​IMG] PROBOT (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    [​IMG] NETROD . (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] NETROD . (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] NETROD . (0 | 4)
    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]6 [​IMG]1
    [​IMG] DASYU (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 36)
    [​IMG] ZAYIN Rebot HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26)
    [​IMG] DANAVAS Hacker (Hacking Device Plus. UPGRADE: Maestro) Combi Rifle + Pitcher / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 25)
    [​IMG] DALETH Rebot Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 17)
    [​IMG] LAMEDH Rebot Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    [​IMG] LAMEDH Rebot Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    [​IMG] WARCOR (Aerocam) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 3)
    5.5 SWC | 300 Points

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  5. Káosz Brigodéros

    Káosz Brigodéros Vanguard, Inc.

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    I prefer SP to Vanilla Aleph (I am pretty much into Enomotarchos) but when I play Vanilla I always go single combat group and do my best to go first and cripple my enemy as fast as posible, because I believe that is the strenght of Vanilla Aleph. The backbone of the list I use:
    Vanilla
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    PATROCLUS (ODD: Optical Disruptor) Spitfire, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, EXP CCW. (1.5 | 57)
    EUDOROS Mk12, Nanopulser, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 40)
    MACHAON Lieutenant Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0.5 | 38)
    YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    ATALANTA MULTI Sniper Rifle + TinBot E (Spotter) / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 39)
    NAGA (Minelayer) Boarding Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 27)
    NAGA (Minelayer) Boarding Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 27)
    PROXY Mk.1 Engineer Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    PROXY Mk.5 (Forward Observer) 2 Submachine Guns, Nanopulser, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    NETROD . (0 | 4)
    4.5 SWC | 258 Points
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    That is 42 points and 1.5 SWC to go.
    The list starts with the Greeks. All are able gunfighters and brings their own smoke. Patroclus' holoecho is very useful to clean up minefields, that can be problematic for many single combat group lists. Eudoros is the best zero SWC gunfighter in the whole game. His impetuous order can be very handy mid or late game. Machaon is one awesome doc - and you need one because in this case you do not have backup troopers in G2 to replace losses. His Lt order spent on healing is never vasted. If you prefer an agressive Lt, feel free to promote Eudoros to Lt…
    They lack true long-range (HMG) weaponry but their ability to toss smoke (Eclipse) solves this problem. If you want a long-range weapon, you can swap one of them (preferably Eudoros) for Phoenix. (Just have to dig 0.5 SWC up.) These guys will do the gunfighting.
    Atalanta. She is a monster. Let's make it clear: she is NOT an ARO piece. She is there to hunt down annoying smoke-tossing or camo troopers. She is an active turn hunter killer. Point and shoot. Park a Yudbot next to her.
    Nagas are awesome midfield skirmishers. I prefer the Minelayer loadout but can be swapped one of them for a KHD hacker. They slow down the enemy advancement.
    Posthumans. Cheap as chips and will not cost you an order if they are killed. If you have the points, you can include a third one according to your taste, but these two are really no-brainers.
    Netrod. Because you brought posthumans. Many players dislike including Netrods in a ingle combat group army, but I have good experience with them. With all the threats I throw at my enemy, he will rarely have orders to waste on a Netrod - especiall if I hide it well.
    Now you have ample amount of points to spend on just two additional troopers. You can add Dart, Schylla, Deva with Devabot, Drakios, CR Ekdromos, Thamyris, Thorakitai or Dakinis (cheap specilaists to push buttons) or whatever appeals you (and helps you in the mission at hand). You can upgrade Eudoros to Achilleus. If you need poits, you can downgrade Atalanta to a sniper Agema. The choice is yours.
    We are here to help.
    Edit: Ducking autocorrect!
     
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  6. regelridderen

    regelridderen Dismember

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    This is my go-to list in Infinity :

    Achilles Spitfire Lieutenant | Lieutenant, Nanopulser, Spitfire, Pistol / EXP CCW (75)
    Patroclus ODD Spitfire | ODD: Optical Disruptor, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades, Spitfire, Pistol / EXP CCW (57)
    Myrmidon Officer BSG Chain of Command | Chain of Command, Nanopulser, Boarding Shotgun, Eclipse Grenades, Pistol / AP CCW (35)
    Proxy Mk.2 Assault Hacker | Assault Hacking Device, Nanopulser, Boarding Shotgun, Pistol / Knife (21)
    Proxy Mk.1 Engineer | Engineer, Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Pistol, D-Charges / Knife (10)
    Yudbot Servant | Electric Pulse (3)
    Dakini Tacbot Paramedic | MediKit, Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse (15)
    Dakini Tacbot Paramedic | MediKit, Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse (15)
    Danavas Hacker Hacker Plus | Hacking Device Plus: UPGRADE: Maestro, Combi Rifle, Pitcher, Breaker Pistol / Knife (25)
    Daleth Rebot Combi | Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse (17)
    Lamedh Rebot Repeater | Flash Pulse / Electric Pulse (8)
    Lamedh Rebot Repeater | Flash Pulse / Electric Pulse (8)
    Proxy Mk.5 Observer | Forward Observer, Submachine Gun (2), E/M Grenades, Nanopulser, Pistol / Knife (10)
     
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  7. BarbeChenue

    BarbeChenue Well-Known Member

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    I'm going to play Highly Classified, Power Pack and Supplies for Saturday's tournament, I'd like to know if this list is well designed for it:

    Achi +Doc +Eng +HD+ +KHD
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]4 [​IMG]1
    MACHAON Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0.5 | 38)
    YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    PROXY Mk.1 Engineer Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    PROXY Mk.2 Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 21)
    PROXY Mk.5 (Forward Observer) 2 Submachine Guns, Nanopulser, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    WARCOR (Aerocam) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 3)
    NETROD . (0 | 4)
    NETROD . (0 | 4)
    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]9 [​IMG]1
    DAKINI Tacbot HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 21)
    ACHILLES Lieutenant Spitfire, Nanopulser / Pistol, EXP CCW. (2.5 | 75)
    DANAVAS Hacker (Hacking Device Plus. UPGRADE: Maestro) Combi Rifle + Pitcher / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 25)
    SHUKRA (Chain of Command) Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25)
    LIBERTO (Minelayer) Light Shotgun, Chain-colt, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 10)
    APSARA (Killer Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 19)
    LAMEDH Rebot Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    LAMEDH Rebot Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    PROBOT (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    NETROD . (0 | 4)
    6 SWC | 299 Points
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    It has Achilles, CoC, KHD, AHD, HD+, Doctor@WIP15, Engineer@WIP15, Eclipse Smoke, a Forward Observer, a Minelayer, several Repeaters, a Pitcher, aaaand Achilles (he counts for two). It has White Noise as well.

    No MSV, no Jammer, few Templates, many NWI models vulnerable to Shock, very few "great" ARO pieces.

    It's mostly a "duck and hide" game, where you really hope they are afraid of your midfield threats and don't want to rambo their way through the cheerleaders.

    It "only" has 15 orders, but recent play experience has proven me the value of Chain of Command against Jammers, AHD, E/M2 Zapper, E/M Grenades, etc. Losing your Lt to a "dumb" mistake, then going a full turn through LoL... Most of the time, I lost Achilles to the midfield AHD/Jammers, and he stayed alive the whole game...
     
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  8. Káosz Brigodéros

    Káosz Brigodéros Vanguard, Inc.

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    @BarbeChenue Looks good to me. The only thing I recommend is swapping Liberto to G1 and replace him with a Netrod, because you will want to pump the whole 10+1 order pool into Achilles in turn one...
     
  9. Arkhos94

    Arkhos94 Well-Known Member

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    I play Vanilla in two flavor : Marut or Achilles (always in 1 group list). I play 1 group list so I try to avoid netrod and take 8 pts drones intead (easier to hide, no chance of failing AD)

    Marut goes like this : marut + proxy including an engineer + some drone (because you have an enigneer so use it), usually a TR drone and either a daikini HMG or a second TR drone + a danava to boost all this people and a 16 pts myrmidon. The rest is a mix of specialist and cheap order to do mission. A sample :
    ALEPH
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    MARUT Lieutenant (Strategos L3) MULTI HMG, Heavy Flamethrower, Nanopulser / AP CCW. (3 | 120)
    [​IMG] KARKATA Flash Pulse / Knife. (0 | 0)
    ZAYIN Rebot HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26)
    ZAYIN Rebot HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26)
    DANAVAS Hacker (Hacking Device Plus. UPGRADE: Maestro) Combi Rifle + Pitcher / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 25)
    PROXY Mk.2 Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 21)
    PROXY Mk.1 Engineer Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    PROXY Mk.5 (Forward Observer) 2 Submachine Guns, Nanopulser, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    MYRMIDON Chain Rifle, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 16)
    THORAKITES Engineer Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 18)
    LAMEDH Rebot Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    LAMEDH Rebot Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    PROBOT (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)

    6 SWC | 299 Points

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    Second flavor is Achilles, then two option : either go with Achilles lieutenant (and then CoC is needed) or another lieutenant (usually machaon). The rest of the list will take some proxy and naga for objectives duty, some cheap orders and usually at least one unit with bot (ajurna, scylla, drakios) because their offensive potential make them very good offensive support for Achilles.

    My preference is to go Achilles lieutenant because an 11 orders achilles is a nightmare. Onesamples :
    ALEPH
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    ACHILLES Lieutenant Spitfire, Nanopulser / Pistol, EXP CCW. (2.5 | 75)
    SCYLLA Hacker (Killer Hacking Device UPGRADE: Maestro) Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser + 2 Devabots Charybdis / Pistol, E/M CC Weapon. (0.5 | 34)
    [​IMG] DEVABOT CHARYBDIS Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (7)
    [​IMG] DEVABOT CHARYBDIS Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (7)
    PROXY Mk.4 Heavy Rocket Launcher, Submachine Gun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 20)
    PROXY Mk.2 Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 21)
    PROXY Mk.5 (Forward Observer) 2 Submachine Guns, Nanopulser, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    DART Submachine Gun, Viral Tactical Bow, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon, Knife. (0 | 34)
    SHUKRA (Chain of Command) Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25)
    NAGA Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 30)
    NAGA (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 28)
    DAKINI Tacbot Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0 | 15)
    LAMEDH Rebot Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)

    5.5 SWC | 300 Points

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    You have Achilles for first turn offense with a cybermasked Scylla to help. All kinds of specialist to do the mission and dart to clean the midfield if necessary. mk4 bring good ARO. No doctor because most of the time I won't use it (Achilles and Scylla will go down too far from my deployment zone to be healed)
     
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  10. Wyrmnax

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    Drop Achilles.

    As you stated yourself - Achilles is a TAG. Any TAG list has issues because you need to fit in support for said TAG and the cost of the TAG itself. To begin every list with that hamstrig really kills the possibility of diversity. ALEPH can bring a lot of nice toys, but they are all expensive, and as such you really need to sacrifice something.

    Also, you should be aiming for 15sh orders top at 300pts. This is not a faction that tends to do too well with order spam. Your second group is your support group, that has a few extra bodies and your general ARO / delay plan, with maybe one piece to use these orders in the active. Don't try to build 2 functional groups.

    I also really dislike the Apsara in vanilla. You want either a KDH that is in camo / midfield to be aggressive to begin with or you want Scylla with her repeater bot shannenigans (less pronounced since the faq, but still exist)
     
  11. regelridderen

    regelridderen Dismember

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    I disagree on your take on Achilles. He does not need any support, he is a missile to point at the enemy and wreak havoc, the only ‘support’ that he could ask for is either White Noise or Eclipse to help him get out of the deployment zone - and myrmidon characters, or danavas comes with a whole bunch of reasons to include by themselves.

    A second ‘support’ group is a great idea though, I like a simple 3 netrods and MK1, MK2, MK5. This ensures you’ve got orders for objective hunting, and if people go waste orders on your rods, you just move the posthuman over.
     
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  12. Teslarod

    Teslarod when in doubt, Yeet

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    A little late to the party, since you guys are discussing Achilles he is certainly Aleph's standout centerpiece.

    Here's 2 tournament winning lists (2 day 5 game tournaments).
    Both of them were played all 5 games, the respective list 2 never saw a table.

    Leichte Liste 1
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10
    ACHILLES Lieutenant Spitfire, Nanopulser / Pistol, EXP CCW. (2.5 | 75)
    DANAVAS Hacker (Hacking Device Plus. UPGRADE: Maestro) Combi Rifle + Pitcher / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 25)
    SHUKRA (Chain of Command) Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25)
    PROXY Mk.2 Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 21)
    PROXY Mk.1 Engineer Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    PROXY Mk.5 (Forward Observer) 2 Submachine Guns, Nanopulser, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    NETROD . (0 | 4)
    LAMEDH Rebot Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    LAMEDH Rebot Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    PROBOT (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    PROBOT (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    ZAYIN Rebot HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]4 [​IMG]2 [​IMG]1
    ZAYIN Rebot HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26)
    JÄGER Submachine Gun + E/Mitter / Pistol, Monofilament CC Weapon. (0.5 | 18)
    KRAKOT RENEGADE 2 Chain Rifles, Grenades / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 14)
    WARCOR (360º Visor) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 3)
    NETROD . (0 | 4)
    NETROD . (0 | 4)

    6 SWC | 300 Points

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    Aleph Alpha
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10 [​IMG]1
    ACHILLES Lieutenant Spitfire, Nanopulser / Pistol, EXP CCW. (2.5 | 75)
    SHUKRA (Chain of Command) Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25)
    PROXY Mk.4 HMG, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 25)
    PROXY Mk.2 Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 21)
    PROXY Mk.1 Doctor (MediKit) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    THORAKITES (Forward Observer, 360º Visor) Submachine gun, Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13)
    PROBOT (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    PROBOT (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    NETROD . (0 | 4)
    NETROD . (0 | 4)
    NETROD . (0 | 4)
    KRAKOT RENEGADE 2 Chain Rifles, Grenades / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 14)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]5 [​IMG]2 [​IMG]1
    DART Submachine Gun, Viral Tactical Bow, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon, Knife. (0 | 34)
    APSARA (Killer Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 19)
    KRAKOT RENEGADE 2 Chain Rifles, Grenades / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 14)
    LAMEDH Rebot Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    LAMEDH Rebot Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    WARCOR (360º Visor) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 3)
    WARCOR (360º Visor) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 3)

    6 SWC | 300 Points

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  13. Nemo No Name

    Nemo No Name Aleph Cultural Atache

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    @Teslarod I played against exactly your first list recently in tournament in Augsburg - was that you?
     
  14. Teslarod

    Teslarod when in doubt, Yeet

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    You were in Augsburg?
    I bailed on that tournament, that was NoSubject he used to be a regular at our club but moved away for family reasons. Probably one of the best players I know.
     
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    Nemo No Name Aleph Cultural Atache

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    Yup, "no subject". We played last round for victory in the tournament. I beat him 5-4 (although all I had left at the end was a Naga), and we ended up having same TP, same VP, and he won on army points.

    He was pretty good, but I think out of practice a bit.
     
  16. DukeofEarl

    DukeofEarl Well-Known Member

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    Love the 3pt/1SWC Warcor
     
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  17. Teslarod

    Teslarod when in doubt, Yeet

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    Oh yeah ran that list in a SOF tournament as well.

    For the winning run these 3 points were just another Yudbot.

    Definitely out of practice, we never hear the end of it how much he misses game time.
     
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  18. Bruno Braga

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    I was under the impression that in order to include any of the PostHuman Proxies, you'd have to include the Apsaras with G: Jumper LZ.. if that's not the case then the PostHumans are even better!
     
  19. Nenyx

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    They have nothing to do with each other. They have a similar named skill that has quite different rules.

    Basically, posthumans (the mk.1-5) are several heavily discounted bodies with one "spirit" that can possess them at will. These bodies are powerful, cheap, and mostly expandables, so you can "sacrifice" them easily.
    Apsaras on the contrary are fragile little things that you absolutely want to keep safe and hidden (remember that they are activated when you activate the dakini link, meaning they can take an ARO without being able to protect themselves). They give nice buff for your dakini fireteam, and said buffs don't need any order to spend for. So hide your apsara, and use your dakinis :)
     
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  20. Bruno Braga

    Bruno Braga Well-Known Member

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    Oh wow hectic - I feel a bit silly haha

    I've only been playing for about two month, our whole playgroup is equally new as well, so we still have a bunch of holes in our game knowledge
     
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