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Hold onto your Sun Tzes

Discussion in 'Yu Jing' started by Triumph, Mar 21, 2019.

  1. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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  2. ambisinister

    ambisinister Broken Zoetrope

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    This is what the hint says: "Total Immunity: This Special Skill has been redefined to better fit its name, removing exceptions and interactions." But @Triumph is correct in wondering what that will actually mean.
     
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  3. colbrook

    colbrook Black Fryer

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    Bear in mind he might also get Vulnerability: Mentions of Uprising
     
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  4. Sedral

    Sedral Invincible Officier

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    Not gonna lie, while it's neat for sun tze, dog warriors immune to viral and stun ammo will be a pain in the ass.
     
  5. colbrook

    colbrook Black Fryer

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    Doggos might well get Viral Vulnerability
     
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  6. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    I mean we don't know what the changes are yet. For all we know it could be that Plasma is no longer standard ammo and is back to exotic.
     
  7. Maksimas

    Maksimas Maxi

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    I mean, Total Immunity is fine and all BUT DO YOU SEE THAT SYMBIOMATE NERF?
    By jove that bit caught me by surprise.
     
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  8. colbrook

    colbrook Black Fryer

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    From the description I gathered they were doing away with the Exotic/Normal categories and instead using the Vulnerability skill for exceptions.
     
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  9. Joametz

    Joametz Chinese Empire in Space enthusiast

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    I know it's supposed to make me feel better, and I do agree that it's a nerf... But it bassically does the same as before. Beign Obligatory is nice, but granting the guy Total Immunity is just lame. "It's interactive now! You have to roll saves!"... IDK.
     
  10. Space Ranger

    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    Yes! Now I can actually, possibly, hurt something with it. It's not that bad of Nerf and really was needed. Before a guy could eat like 10 wounds! Now it at least needs to make at least one save vs. each hit.

    I think it's just going to be clarification of what's subject to TI and what isn't.
     
  11. Maksimas

    Maksimas Maxi

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    Well it still counts as having to actually do something to trigger it's effect, so... still a yay in my book.
    That and it now at least has a meager chance of not saying ,,Yeah, all those surprise shot Hac Tao HMG shots didn't do anything.''
     
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  12. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Active Player
    58.55% Hac Tao does nothing (Symbiomate disabled)
    14.29%
    Hac Tao inflicts 1 or more wounds on Sukuel (Symbiont Disabled)
    1.29% Hac Tao inflicts 2 or more wounds on Sukuel (Unconscious)
    0.05% Hac Tao inflicts 3 or more wounds on Sukuel (Dead)

    Failures
    19.88% Neither player succeeds
    Reactive Player
    5.94% Sukuel Dodges Hac Tao

    Active Player
    42.04% Hac Tao inflicts 1 or more wounds on Sukuel (Symbiont & symbiomate Disabled)
    8.87% Hac Tao inflicts 2 or more wounds on Sukuel (Unconscious)
    0.90% Hac Tao inflicts 3 or more wounds on Sukuel (Dead)
    Failures
    52.02% Neither player succeeds
    Reactive Player
    5.94% Sukuel Dodges Hac Tao

    That's a pretty significant nerf.
     
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  13. Robock

    Robock Well-Known Member

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    How ? dodge stays the same ok.
    Neither player succeeds stays the same ... ? (if you mean both player fail the target number, fine, stays the same)
    Chance for the hac tao to do nothing drops from 26% to 0% ? really ? So with +9 ARM it is impossible for the Sukuel to pass an ARM save ?
     
  14. colbrook

    colbrook Black Fryer

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    I thought it was ARM = 9 rather than +9
     
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    Robock Well-Known Member

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    i might misread*. even if ARM = 9 , that means ARM is +7 better than before, yet his percent chance to not taking 1 W stays the same somehow ?

    *give Total Imm, ARM 9 and BTS 9, i read gives 9 ARM therefore read it as +Total Imm, +9ARM, +9BTS. But it might equally means giving in that its sets the ARM/BTS value to 9 and sets the "Has Total Imm" to True.

    edit again, probably ARM9 BTS9, but for the sake of Ectros (3/6), Neema (3/9), and Gorgos (7/9), i'd rather they be +9. As the new symbiom is already quite a nerf, having to roll rather than auto-passing all saves.
     
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  16. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Good point. Updated. Had to tally the "before" manually...
    Basically I forgot that to also count a hit as removing the Symbiomate, since succeeding the save at that point is pointless.
     
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    Section9 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, I'm expecting them to get at least Vulnerability: Viral.


    Yeah, that's a good improvement to gameplay.
     
  18. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    Showerthought: Sun Tze might become immune to E/M weaponry. Because fuck Emily.
     
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  19. Barrogh

    Barrogh Well-Known Member

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    My guess is that most Total Immunity units will get Vulnerabilities to what they are vulnerable now (so, what counts as Exotic ammo atm), and that entire TI update is geared to accommodate new Symbiomates.

    Some exceptions are possible, ofc.
     
  20. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    I'm hoping that they forget to apply this to Sun Tze just like they forgot to buff the fucking Guijia.