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Hidden deployment and no infiltration

Discussion in 'Combined Army' started by Fed4ykin, Nov 28, 2020.

  1. Fed4ykin

    Fed4ykin Well-Known Member

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    Hey Guys,
    As I am pretty new and still learning I have a question for you.
    I play among others shasvastii and recently got the new Sphinx.
    And as I think about how to use it and it's hidden deployment I came to the conclusion that the profile does not have infiltration so I can only deploy hidden inside my own deployment zone.
    I always assumed that the Sphinx and the noctifier were able to infiltrate in N3 due to their hidden deployment or was I mistaken?
    Am I right and both troopers can just deploy hidden inside my own deployment zone in N4?

    Infiltration or at least forward deployment would in my opinion be gold on both troopers.
     
  2. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    Totally mistaken. Having a TO camo state and Hidden Deployment was separate from having Infiltration, and the Sphynx and Noctifer were never able to infiltrate in N3.

    They can be deployed inside your DZ, yeah, not outside. Several units have this combination of skills (hidden deployment or camo state without infiltration), like the Lynx units in O12 (TO with hidden deployment, without infiltration), the Intruder from Nomads (camo without infiltration), the Heckler from nomads (camo, with Advanced Deployment +4'', but without Infiltration), or the Hac Tao (another TO with hidden deployment but no Infiltration) from Yu Jing.
     
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  3. Fed4ykin

    Fed4ykin Well-Known Member

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    Thank you for the fast clarification. Now I am absolutely sure to do it right as Fairplay is very important to me and I don't want to play it wrong if I can help it.
    I hoped for another answer but anyways. Still going to use/abuse the Sphinx and noctifier.
     
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  4. Kelthret

    Kelthret Usuario

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    Is a common mistake, since infiltration and camouflage often go together, people usually put them together. As mentioned there's several units with Hidden Deployment but no Infiltration and viceversa. Do not worry though, Sphinx and Noctifer are really good without Hidden Deployment (and would be kinda broken with it)

    Dude, you made me check the army to see if I missed the change and the intruder was super busted now.
     
  5. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    I still have the N3 army in the phone, and the Intruder never was able to infiltrate ^^U
     
  6. Delta57Dash

    Delta57Dash Well-Known Member

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    Or, for that matter, Hidden Deploy.
     
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  7. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    Corrected. I hate those pesky mistakes when you are writing something but the mind is onto another thing entirely ^^U
     
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  8. Sabin76

    Sabin76 Well-Known Member

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    To be fair, it seems like half the posts in this thread have some wires crossed somewhere :). Sphinx and Nocs both have HD, but not Infiltration, for instance.
     
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  9. Aspect Graviton

    Aspect Graviton Friendly Alien Overlord
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    Back in N2 when I was first playing I played a noctifer ML as HD and infiltration thinking it was right, basically played like some vengeful god dispensing death from the highest point in the middle of the table. Some models managed to get in close, the active turn TO assault pistol sorted them out.

    Honestly if they had infiltration you'd never need to take anything else, other than something to wade through the blood to push a button at the end of turn 1 before your opponent started in retreat.

    As for the usefulness, even the potential existence of a noctifer ML has slowed down many an opponent (you don't even need to have one it wastes your opponents orders just by it's existence as a profile you're not taking) and the sphinx is honestly probably better for being forced to deploy with your forces rather than starting too close and being over extended or rumbled by a sensor sweep. it's certainly fast and mobile enough to get where it needs to go.
     
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  10. WiT?

    WiT? Well-Known Member

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    Jesus christ, someone was infiltrating their sphinx? That type of shit got delete from the game for a reason lol

    Noctifier wouldn't be as bad. As in, it would be bad, but getting closer hurts the missile rangebands quite a lot. It would only be impactful on tables with a really ridiculous tower someplace.
     
  11. Sabin76

    Sabin76 Well-Known Member

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    As blasphemous as it may sound, there are other Noctifer profiles ;). Specifically, the Spit and Hacker would get HUGE boosts if they had Infiltration.
     
  12. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    I suffered a Hac Tao infiltrating in a tournament (and Shinobu infiltrating inside my DZ "because that's how superior infiltration works, right?")... It was waaaay before the Uprising, but really WTF (the Hac Tao I didn't realize until later, and wasn't really all that important, but the Shinobu, by the table scenery, was in a position inside my DZ that she was totally unable to reach otherwise...)
     
  13. WiT?

    WiT? Well-Known Member

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    What the actual fuck lol, especially that Shinobu - she would absolutely break the game. I'm pretty chill with new players and such, but these things should have been cleared before the game. Must have not been getting guidance from an experienced player, which I feel is pretty essential to starting the game tbh