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Help with my fav units

Discussion in 'PanOceania' started by Ayuruk, Apr 24, 2019.

  1. Ayuruk

    Ayuruk New Member

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    Hi all. I'm still pretty new to the game and I'm having trouble building a list that uses me 3 favorite units (jeanne, seraph , and hospitaller)
    have it still be good. Can anyone look this list over for me and give me some feedback on it. Screenshot_20190423-183004_Infinity Army Mobile.jpg
     
  2. barakiel

    barakiel Echo Bravo Master Sergeant
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    If you're going this route, I'd keep the HMG on the Seraph, grab an HMG hospitaller for the link, use mobility Joan for her Spitfire, then grab some a Hospitaller Doc with MULTI Rifle and then boarding shotgun Hospitallers to finish up the link. I think that gives you a really nice array of firepower across multiple rangebands.

    I take it you're not playing missions where you need to interact with consoles or anything?
     
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  3. Ayuruk

    Ayuruk New Member

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    Haven't played that yet. Really just have been playing general killing missions
     
  4. Stiopa

    Stiopa Trust The Fuckhead
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    I'd say that taking Seraph, Joan, and any kind of HI link is a tough task. I'd rather go this way:

    Military Orders
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    [​IMG]9 [​IMG]1
    SERAPH HMG, 2 Nanopulsers / EXP CCW. (2 | 79)
    [​IMG] CRABBOT Flash Pulse / Knife. ()
    JOAN OF ARC Lieutenant MULTI Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, DA CCW. (+1 | 50)
    KNIGHT HOSPITALLER HMG / Pistol, DA CCW. (2 | 39)
    FATHER-KNIGHT Missile Launcher / Breaker Pistol, DA CCW. (1.5 | 49)
    ORDER SERGEANT Heavy Rocket Launcher / Assault Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 15)
    ORDER SERGEANT Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15)
    ORDER SERGEANT Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13)
    ORDER SERGEANT Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13)
    MACHINIST (Father-Engineer) Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15)
    PALBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    PALBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    TECH-BEE (Remote Assistant Level 1, Specialist Operative) Flash Pulse / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)

    7 SWC | 299 Points

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    Joan, Seraph and Hospitaller can use Joan's special Coordinated Order to maneuver into position. OS/FK Core works good both in offense and defence, just remember to dictate the range of engagement to favor you. Machinist is crucial for keeping the TAG running. But I won't lie that this kinds of lists are fragile, with obvious Lt and no CoC.
     
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  5. WiT?

    WiT? Well-Known Member

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    A mate of mine has gotten good mileage out of Seraph and Joan, and argues that Military Orders isn't necessarily the best home for either.

    In vanilla, you can pair cheap irregular models with Joan to recoup some of the points you would otherwise spend on mediocre Order Sergeants. That means less cheerleaders and more ass kicking primary models. You lose the OS link options and the FK Missile posted above, which has some game, but get more active turn units

    Something like this jumps to mind;

    PanOceania
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    [​IMG]3 [​IMG]4
    JOAN OF ARC Lieutenant MULTI Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, DA CCW. (+1 | 50)
    SERAPH HMG, 2 Nanopulsers / EXP CCW. (2 | 79)
    [​IMG] CRABBOT Flash Pulse / Knife. ()
    KNIGHT HOSPITALLER HMG / Pistol, DA CCW. (2 | 39)
    HELOT MILITIAMAN Submachine Gun, Light Rocket Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 9)
    MONSTRUCKER Submachine Gun, Chain Rifle, Drop Bears / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13)
    TECH-BEE (Remote Assistant Level 1, Specialist Operative) Flash Pulse / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
    WARCOR (Sixth Sense L1) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 3)
    4.5 SWC | 198 Points
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    Thats 7 orders, including Joan, Hospitaller, and HMG Seraph (you want the non-Auxbot version because G: Synch models cannot use Joan's coordinated orders) and 102 points for 3 last slots. With that you can fit a really strong model such as a Swiss Guard + two chumps, or two strong models such as other knights and a basic dude.
     
  6. Nomadimp

    Nomadimp Well-Known Member

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    I'll second Barakiel's suggestions as a good place to start. I think as you play more, depending on your opponents, you'll eventually want to swap one of your hospitallers for a santiago KHD (easily proxied with a hospitaller for now) and figure out a way to get a machinist with a palbot in there.

    The machinist will help fix up your seraph if it gets damaged (or your HI if they get immobilized) and the santiago KHD will help defend against enemy hackers (or act as a specialist when you start doing missions).

    If you could tell us what tends to 'go wrong' when playing with your list that would be helpful as well. What are your opponents doing that you're having trouble dealing with? E.g. do they have lots of camo or hackers? Are you running into a linked missile launcher that is eating your lunch? etc. etc.

    Military Orders
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    [​IMG]9 [​IMG]1
    SERAPH HMG, 2 Nanopulsers / EXP CCW. (2 | 79)
    [​IMG] CRABBOT Flash Pulse / Knife. ()
    JOAN OF ARC Lieutenant MULTI Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, DA CCW. (+1 | 50)
    KNIGHT HOSPITALLER HMG / Pistol, DA CCW. (2 | 39)
    KNIGHT HOSPITALLER Doctor (Fireteam: Haris, MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, DA CCW. (0.5 | 36)
    KNIGHT HOSPITALLER Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 31)
    ORDER SERGEANT Heavy Rocket Launcher / Assault Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 15)
    ORDER SERGEANT Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13)
    ORDER SERGEANT Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13)
    MACHINIST (Father-Engineer) Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15)
    PALBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    TECH-BEE (Remote Assistant Level 1, Specialist Operative) Flash Pulse / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)

    6 SWC | 299 Points

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  7. Section9

    Section9 Well-Known Member

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    Agreed, that's a LOT of points in 6 models.

    Military Orders
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    [​IMG]6
    JOAN OF ARC Lieutenant MULTI Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, DA CCW. (+1 | 50)
    KNIGHT OF SANTIAGO Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, D-Charges + 1 TinBot A (Deflector L1) / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 38)
    KNIGHT HOSPITALLER HMG / Pistol, DA CCW. (2 | 39)
    KNIGHT HOSPITALLER Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 31)
    KNIGHT HOSPITALLER Doctor (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 35)
    SERAPH HMG, 2 Nanopulsers / EXP CCW. (2 | 79)
    [​IMG] CRABBOT Flash Pulse / Knife. ()

    4 SWC | 272 Points

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    You have 28pts remaining, and that's just not enough to cover your basic specialists. Hacker and Engineer and FO.

    I'd probably recommend dropping the Core team down to 3 (and running Joan separately, stupid Crusade Fireteam rules). I'd drop the shotgun, I think, to keep the Santiago KHD Tinbot in the link. Something like this, maybe:

    Military Orders
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    [​IMG]8 [​IMG]1
    JOAN OF ARC Lieutenant MULTI Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, DA CCW. (+1 | 50)
    KNIGHT OF SANTIAGO Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, D-Charges + 1 TinBot A (Deflector L1) / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 38)
    KNIGHT HOSPITALLER HMG / Pistol, DA CCW. (2 | 39)
    KNIGHT HOSPITALLER Doctor (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 35)
    SERAPH HMG, 2 Nanopulsers / EXP CCW. (2 | 79)
    [​IMG] CRABBOT Flash Pulse / Knife. ()
    MACHINIST (Father-Engineer) Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15)
    TECH-BEE (Remote Assistant Level 1, Specialist Operative) Flash Pulse / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
    PATHFINDER DRONBOT Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 16)
    SPEC. SERGEANT Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 21)

    4.5 SWC | 298 Points

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  8. eciu

    eciu Easter worshiper

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    What the point of not using full 5 man link ?o0
     
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  9. Section9

    Section9 Well-Known Member

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    While I normally agree, the full 5-man link and a TAG is just too many points in MO.
     
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  10. Spinnaker

    Spinnaker Vanguard Officer

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    What are your thoughts on running the Sepulchre knight with chain of command and spitfire instead of the Hospitaller? It's a chunk more expensive, but it's a specialist, gains access to surprise shot, can mitigate assassinations attempts on Joan somewhat (although when you're making use of her Inspiring leadership with irregular troops, this is still an issue), and can make use of the suppressive fire + holoecho combo
     
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  11. WiT?

    WiT? Well-Known Member

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    I only inc. the Hospitaller because OP said that was one of his favourite models, and don't usually run it outside of links.

    I actually really like the Sepulchre either in CoC or in FD modes. I really like any combat specialist, and the CoC Spitfire ticks that box - the other effects are just gravy. I also like heavy combat units with efficient means of deployment such as Forward Deployment L2.
     
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  12. Ben Kenobi

    Ben Kenobi Well-Known Member

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    Came up with the following list. It has only two Spearheads but you have a full core and a TAG

    Military Orders
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    [​IMG]8 [​IMG]2
    SERAPH HMG, 2 Nanopulsers / EXP CCW. (2 | 79)
    [​IMG] CRABBOT Flash Pulse / Knife. ()
    JOAN OF ARC Lieutenant MULTI Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, DA CCW. (+1 | 50)
    KNIGHT HOSPITALLER HMG / Pistol, DA CCW. (2 | 39)
    KNIGHT HOSPITALLER Doctor (Fireteam: Haris, MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, DA CCW. (0.5 | 36)
    KNIGHT HOSPITALLER Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 31)
    KNIGHT HOSPITALLER Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 31)
    MACHINIST (Father-Engineer) Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15)
    PALBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    TECH-BEE (Remote Assistant Level 1, Specialist Operative) Flash Pulse / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
    WARCOR (360º Visor) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 3)
    FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)

    4.5 SWC | 300 Points

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  13. eciu

    eciu Easter worshiper

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    You have to leave DZ ?
     
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  14. Section9

    Section9 Well-Known Member

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    Well, someone does, just to get to the objectives.
     
  15. Maksimas

    Maksimas Maxi

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    Military Orders. Joan. Hospitallers. And a Seraph.

    I think I can dredge up some ideas...

    For the record, as an insane heavy infantry zealot as I am, I genuinely can see no method of fitting in Joan, her Hospitaller Fireteam AND a Seraph into one list without having taken a metaphorical Hac Tao HMG to your lone Keisotsu.
    The main issue in here stems from the Hospitallers, oddly enough. Joan and the Seraph can get along nicely, but the Hospitallers eat points like a Swiss Guard eats TR REMs in this trio.
    Though that doesn't mean limited Hospitaller amounts cannot be used instead, to shave some points.

    Military Orders
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    [​IMG]9 [​IMG]1
    SERAPH HMG, 2 Nanopulsers / EXP CCW. (2 | 79)
    [​IMG] CRABBOT Flash Pulse / Knife. ()
    JOAN OF ARC Lieutenant MULTI Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, AP CCW. (+1 | 49)
    KNIGHT HOSPITALLER Doctor (Fireteam: Haris, MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, DA CCW. (0.5 | 36)
    KNIGHT HOSPITALLER HMG / Pistol, DA CCW. (2 | 39)
    KNIGHT HOSPITALLER Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 31)
    SPEC. SERGEANT Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 21)
    FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    PATHFINDER DRONBOT Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 16)
    PATHFINDER DRONBOT Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 16)
    TECH-BEE (Remote Assistant Level 1, Specialist Operative) Flash Pulse / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)

    5 SWC | 300 Points

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    Military Orders
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    [​IMG]10
    SERAPH HMG, 2 Nanopulsers / EXP CCW. (2 | 79)
    [​IMG] CRABBOT Flash Pulse / Knife. ()
    JOAN OF ARC Lieutenant MULTI Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, AP CCW. (+1 | 49)
    KNIGHT HOSPITALLER Doctor (MediKit) MULTI Rifle / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 39)
    ORDER SERGEANT MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 21)
    ORDER SERGEANT Heavy Rocket Launcher / Assault Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 15)
    ORDER SERGEANT Heavy Rocket Launcher / Assault Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 15)
    ORDER SERGEANT Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13)
    ORDER SERGEANT Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13)
    SPEC. SERGEANT (CH: TO Camouflage, Infiltration, Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27)
    SPEC. SERGEANT (CH: TO Camouflage, Infiltration, Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27)

    6.5 SWC | 298 Points

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    Military Orders
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    [​IMG]10
    SERAPH HMG, 2 Nanopulsers / EXP CCW. (2 | 79)
    [​IMG] CRABBOT Flash Pulse / Knife. ()
    JOAN OF ARC Spitfire, Nanopulser / Pistol, EXP CCW. (2 | 53)
    KNIGHT HOSPITALLER Doctor (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 35)
    PALBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    ORDER SERGEANT MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 21)
    FATHER-KNIGHT Lieutenant (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle / Breaker Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 45)
    ORDER SERGEANT Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13)
    ORDER SERGEANT Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13)
    ORDER SERGEANT Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13)
    FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    PATHFINDER DRONBOT Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 16)

    5.5 SWC | 299 Points

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    This is the best I can think of on short notice.
     
  16. Mikes

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    Joan is almost TAG on her own. I've run her and a seraph several times to some sucess, but the hospitallera in the aMe list can be an issue. The problem is their frenzy. They cost a lot of points so you want to recoul that by having them hurt things, but as soon as rhey do they become impetuous and lose their cover bonuses.

    Iwhile im a big proponant of take what you think is cool, in this case I'd suggest building teo lists, one for joan and the seraph and one with joan and hospitallers, and aim towards both of them.

    Infinity is a fun game, in or lose, but if you're just starting off there's little point in playing with the breaks on.
     
  17. Stiopa

    Stiopa Trust The Fuckhead
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    Frenzy won't activate as long as they're linked, so it's only the single Docs that need to be wary of this. Frenzy also kicks in only at the beginning of the next turn, so there's some time to still take advantage of cover, eliminate immediate threats and position your unit in a good spot. Additionally, units like that are best used as a backup fighters, not primary ones, and tend to get activated later in the game. If your knight kills someone on Turn 3, he won't lose the bonus before game ends, anyway.
     
  18. Hexa

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    I think mixed PanO is a better place for both the Seraph and Joan, since they won't be receiving as much support from a link as they will from mixed units such as a monstrucker, a helot, a cobra jammer and krakots. I frequently play both in vanilla, but have never played MO.

    I'd consider playing something like this:
    A: Superior firepower──────────────────────────────────────────────────[​IMG]6 [​IMG]4 [​IMG]1 SERAPH HMG, 2 Nanopulsers / EXP CCW. (2 | 79) [​IMG] CRABBOT Flash Pulse / Knife. () JOAN OF ARC Lieutenant MULTI Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, DA CCW. (+1 | 50) KNIGHT HOSPITALLER Doctor (MediKit) MULTI Rifle / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 39) KNIGHT OF SANTIAGO (Specialist Operative) Spitfire, Nanopulser, E/M Grenades, D-Charges / Pistol, DA CCW. (1.5 | 43) MAGISTER KNIGHT Panzerfaust, Light Shotgun / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 23) KAMAU (Multispectral Visor L2) MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 32) WARCOR (Sixth Sense L1) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 3) MONSTRUCKER Submachine Gun, Chain Rifle, Drop Bears / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13) TECH-BEE (Remote Assistant Level 1, Specialist Operative) Flash Pulse / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5) HELOT MILITIAMAN Shock Marksman Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13) 5 SWC | 300 PointsOpen in Infinity Army

    Or this:
    PanOceania──────────────────────────────────────────────────[​IMG]6 [​IMG]4 [​IMG]1 SERAPH HMG, 2 Nanopulsers / EXP CCW. (2 | 79) [​IMG] CRABBOT Flash Pulse / Knife. () KNIGHT HOSPITALLER HMG / Pistol, DA CCW. (2 | 39) KNIGHT OF THE HOLY SEPULCHRE (Forward Deployment L2) Spitfire / Pistol, DA CCW. (2 | 57) JOAN OF ARC Lieutenant MULTI Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, DA CCW. (+1 | 50) ZULU-COBRA (Sensor) Combi Rifle, Jammer / Assault Pistol, Knife. (0 | 29) KRAKOT RENEGADE Submachine Gun, Chest Mine / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 15) WARCOR (Sixth Sense L1) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 3) MONSTRUCKER Submachine Gun, Chain Rifle, Drop Bears / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13) TECH-BEE (Remote Assistant Level 1, Specialist Operative) Flash Pulse / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5) HELOT MILITIAMAN Submachine Gun, Light Rocket Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 9) 6.5 SWC | 299 PointsOpen in Infinity Army
     
  19. daboarder

    daboarder Force One Commander
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    Whose giving your BS14 HI a 2/3 chance of getting free shots?

    Move-Move