So I am looking for some variety and Operation Coldfront and its beyond expansion seemed liked a good way to achieve that. However, when putting a list of the models included together it comes up a bit short of 300 points. Are there any proxies I can do to get this to 300? or failing that, what are the best purchases to fill this out without wasting too many models? I apologize ahead of time if this is already answered somewhere. Operations Subsection of the S.S.S. ────────────────────────────────────────────────── 10 APSARA (G: Jumper Level Z) Submachine Gun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 22) DEVA Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 31) SHUKRA (Chain of Command) Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25) SHAKTI Lieutenant Hacker (Killer Hacking Device. UPGRADE: Sucker Punch) Mk12, E/Marat / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (0 | 40) YADU MULTI Rifle, E/Marat, Drop Bears (Throwing Weapon) / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (0 | 36) DAKINI Tacbot Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0 | 13) DAKINI Tacbot Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0 | 13) DAKINI Tacbot Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0 | 13) RUDRA MULTI Rifle, Mine Dispenser / Electric Pulse. (0 | 39) NAGA MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 34) 2 SWC | 266 Points Open in Infinity Army
Upgrade 2 Dakinis to Paramedic (+2pts each) OR Upgrade Rudra to Red Fury (you have the SWC anyway). Best option there seems to be Core of Deva + 3 Dakinis and Yadu + Shakti + Rudra
I suggest giving your Dakinis some weapon upgrades to fill out your SWC and points. Post-human proxies and the Support Pack (mainly for the netrods) are definitely the first purchase I'd recommend, they are as close as you can get to auto-includes in Infinity imo.
Operations Subsection of the S.S.S. ────────────────────────────────────────────────── 10 APSARA (G: Jumper Level Z) Submachine Gun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 22) DAKINI Tacbot HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 21) DAKINI Tacbot HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 21) DAKINI Tacbot HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 21) DEVA (Multispectral Visor L2) Spitfire, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 33) RUDRA K1 Marksman Rifle, Mine Dispenser / Electric Pulse. (0 | 42) YADU (NCO) HMG / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (2 | 41) SHUKRA (Chain of Command) MULTI Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 30) SHAKTI Lieutenant Hacker (Killer Hacking Device. UPGRADE: Sucker Punch) Mk12, E/Marat / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (0 | 40) NAGA (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 28) 6 SWC | 299 Points Open in Infinity Army You need to buy posthumans box.
This would be a very quick and dirty solution. Some proxying, but not much; you'd only need Support pack, Deva Spitfire and CSU (all mandatory purchases, anyway). Operations Subsection of the S.S.S. ────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 10 SHAKTI Lieutenant Hacker (Killer Hacking Device. UPGRADE: Sucker Punch) Mk12, E/Marat / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (0 | 40) RUDRA Red Fury, Mine Dispenser / Electric Pulse. (1 | 40) YADU Heavy Rocket Launcher, Submachine Gun / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (2 | 35) DEVA (Multispectral Visor L2) Spitfire, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 33) CSU (Specialist Operative) Rifle + Light Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12) DAKINI Tacbot MULTI Sniper Rifle / Electric Pulse. (1.5 | 21) DAKINI Tacbot Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0 | 13) DAKINI Tacbot Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0 | 13) APSARA (G: Jumper Level Z) Submachine Gun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 22) NETROD . (0 | 4) GROUP 2 3 SHUKRA (Chain of Command) Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25) SOPHOTECT Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 31) YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3) YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3) NETROD . (0 | 4) 5.5 SWC | 299 Points Open in Infinity Army Other solution would be to go Posthumans.
I kinda like this: Operations Subsection of the S.S.S. ────────────────────────────────────────────────── 10 DAKINI Tacbot HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 21) DAKINI Tacbot MULTI Sniper Rifle / Electric Pulse. (1.5 | 21) DAKINI Tacbot MULTI Sniper Rifle / Electric Pulse. (1.5 | 21) DAKINI Tacbot MULTI Sniper Rifle / Electric Pulse. (1.5 | 21) DEVA Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 31) RUDRA K1 Marksman Rifle, Mine Dispenser / Electric Pulse. (0 | 42) YADU MULTI Rifle, E/Marat, Drop Bears (Throwing Weapon) / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (0 | 36) SHAKTI Hacker (Killer Hacking Device. UPGRADE: Sucker Punch) Mk12, E/Marat / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (0 | 40) SHUKRA Lieutenant (Strategos L1) MULTI Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27) NAGA Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 30) 6 SWC | 290 Points Open in Infinity Army
That's solid. The only issue I have with it really is that it is going to be hard to buff the bots without breaking the link team and wasting a command token a lot of the time. Maybe (would require a bitmore purchasing though) drop the Deva out, change the naga to an FO, snag a BSG CSU, 2 netrods, a MK1 Hacker and a Mk5 FO. Shukra and Haris in group 2 the rest in group 1? Spoiler Operations Subsection of the S.S.S. ────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 9 DAKINI Tacbot HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 21) DAKINI Tacbot MULTI Sniper Rifle / Electric Pulse. (1.5 | 21) DAKINI Tacbot MULTI Sniper Rifle / Electric Pulse. (1.5 | 21) DAKINI Tacbot MULTI Sniper Rifle / Electric Pulse. (1.5 | 21) CSU Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 11) NAGA (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 28) PROXY Mk.1 Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 14) PROXY Mk.5 (Forward Observer) 2 Submachine Guns, Nanopulser, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10) NETROD . (0 | 4) NETROD . (0 | 4) GROUP 2 4 SHUKRA Lieutenant (Strategos L1) MULTI Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27) SHAKTI Hacker (Killer Hacking Device. UPGRADE: Sucker Punch) Mk12, E/Marat / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (0 | 40) YADU MULTI Rifle, E/Marat, Drop Bears (Throwing Weapon) / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (0 | 36) RUDRA K1 Marksman Rifle, Mine Dispenser / Electric Pulse. (0 | 42) 6 SWC | 300 Points Open in Infinity Army
Ahh, I didn't actually know that it would break the link team. Was trying to go for as few additions as possible, but Proxies are a huge upgrade. This is close, 11 orders is kinda terrible but... Operations Subsection of the S.S.S. ────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 10 DAKINI Tacbot HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 21) DAKINI Tacbot MULTI Sniper Rifle / Electric Pulse. (1.5 | 21) DAKINI Tacbot MULTI Sniper Rifle / Electric Pulse. (1.5 | 21) DAKINI Tacbot MULTI Sniper Rifle / Electric Pulse. (1.5 | 21) CSU (Specialist Operative) Rifle + Light Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12) RUDRA K1 Marksman Rifle, Mine Dispenser / Electric Pulse. (0 | 42) YADU MULTI Rifle, E/Marat, Drop Bears (Throwing Weapon) / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (0 | 36) SHAKTI Hacker (Killer Hacking Device. UPGRADE: Sucker Punch) Mk12, E/Marat / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (0 | 40) SHUKRA Lieutenant (Strategos L1) MULTI Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27) NAGA (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 28) GROUP 2 1 DEVA Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 31) 6 SWC | 300 Points Open in Infinity Army
Activating the hacker won't break the fireteam. Other members will simply count as declaring Idle. It creates a different problem, though, as any unit able to shoot at Dakinis in ARO will do it as a normal roll. For that reason I prefer to keep my support hacker outside the link. On the other hand, Deva AHD is great here. Especially for a more assault fireteam, with HMG or Deva Spitfire. From my experience two snipers (or sniper and ML, remeber about Samekh) are enough for a defensive link. I'd fill the rest with basic Dakinis, maybe CSU for stronger CQB weapon mix and as a backup specialist.
Wait, does that mean that if you have a Dakini sniper up top firing away, and another Dakini also in view so they can do some lawnmowering with its HMG next order, they can fire at the HMG Dakini unopposed? ...Damn, that makes sense. 'One ARO per responder for the fireteam', after all, not 'only Team Leader procs AROs'. We've been forgetting that, my friends and I. That's gonna make Dakini fireteams a pain to use, since they can't go Prone in order to allow only one team member to be exposed at a time while not having to hide entirely behind a building or something.
Exactly. If it's a purely defensive fireteam, with double sniper or something like that, it shouldn't be an issue. But if you're planning to use it during Active turn it'll require some well-thought out deployment and movement.
Damn. Because the Dakini HMG is the only <2 SWC HMG in the entire faction, and I had been thinking of 1 HMG and 1 MSR with a CSU w/BSG as my default Core. And when we've had the rules wrong, I've been really enjoying using a 5-bot linked MSR in Active turn to reach out and touch someone with a potential six armour saves (which my usual opponent made four of last game, on a 2W Automedkit HI, which later got up - his luck is consistently bullshit good).
One solution would be to keep HMG out of the link and using Command Tokens to switch fireteam so that there's no exposed model without chance to react. It'd be pretty CT-intensive, though. More of a backup option, than primary tactic.
Well, it proxies so many things to the point that the only combi rifle will be modeled as a sniper rifle, but that works for my purposes of giving new players more options before they buy in without breaking my bank. I will look into CSU's the support pack and post humans though. and maybe some DEVA's.
Just to clarify, it's one ARO against the activating the fireteam - any valid unit in the fireteam can be AROd against (ie. in ZoC or LoS). Not 1 ARO per fireteam member :). So yes, just keep your non attacking units out of LoS when you activate the link ;)
One way would be to wait and purchase the Dakini support weapons box - this will allow you to field a full 5 man link - you can then use the deva hacker separately, or to proxy as a davanas hacker+. Remember too that the Apsara bonus can't be used at the same time as the supportware bonus - so taking a normal hacking device isn't that vital. Just add Dart, nothing else needed =) Similarly you can get the Rebots box to add a reaction bot and use the ML bot for the link (and get the old HMG dakini to bring it to 5) Lastly, you can get the MK2 posthuman box and proxy the Naga sniper as a proxy 2 sniper. None of these lists are optimised for the game, however they hit 300 whilst using most of the models available. Spoiler: Dakini SWC box You don't use the Deva or 2 Dakini from Coldfront in this list. But you have a core link and a haris. The deva can go with either depending on casualties. Operations Subsection of the S.S.S. ────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 10 SHAKTI Lieutenant Hacker (Killer Hacking Device. UPGRADE: Sucker Punch) Mk12, E/Marat / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (0 | 40) YADU MULTI Rifle, E/Marat, Drop Bears (Throwing Weapon) / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (0 | 36) RUDRA Red Fury, Mine Dispenser / Electric Pulse. (1 | 40) APSARA (G: Jumper Level Z) Submachine Gun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 22) DAKINI Tacbot Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0 | 13) DAKINI Tacbot HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 21) DAKINI Tacbot MULTI Sniper Rifle / Electric Pulse. (1.5 | 21) DAKINI Tacbot Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0 | 15) DEVA (Multispectral Visor L2) Spitfire, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 33) SHUKRA (Chain of Command) Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25) GROUP 2 1 NAGA MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 34) 6 SWC | 300 Points Open in Infinity Army Spoiler: Dart Operations Subsection of the S.S.S. ────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 10 SHAKTI Lieutenant Hacker (Killer Hacking Device. UPGRADE: Sucker Punch) Mk12, E/Marat / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (0 | 40) YADU MULTI Rifle, E/Marat, Drop Bears (Throwing Weapon) / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (0 | 36) RUDRA MULTI Rifle, Mine Dispenser / Electric Pulse. (0 | 39) APSARA (G: Jumper Level Z) Submachine Gun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 22) DAKINI Tacbot Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0 | 13) DAKINI Tacbot Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0 | 13) DAKINI Tacbot Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0 | 13) NAGA MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 34) DEVA Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 31) DART Submachine Gun, Viral Tactical Bow, E/M Grenade / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon, Knife. (0 | 34) GROUP 2 1 SHUKRA (Chain of Command) Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25) 2 SWC | 300 Points Open in Infinity Army Spoiler: Rebots + Old Dakini HMG The only model you wont use is the deva here and you will need to proxy the multi-rifle Yadu as a combi rifle one. Operations Subsection of the S.S.S. ────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 10 SHAKTI Lieutenant Hacker (Killer Hacking Device. UPGRADE: Sucker Punch) Mk12, E/Marat / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (0 | 40) YADU (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, E/Marat / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (0 | 32) RUDRA MULTI Rifle, Mine Dispenser / Electric Pulse. (0 | 39) APSARA (G: Jumper Level Z) Submachine Gun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 22) DAKINI Tacbot HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 21) DAKINI Tacbot Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0 | 13) DAKINI Tacbot Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0 | 13) DAKINI Tacbot Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0 | 13) Rebot SAMEKH FTO Missile Launcher / Electric Pulse. (1.5 | 22) NAGA MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 34) GROUP 2 2 SHUKRA (Chain of Command) Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25) ZAYIN Rebot HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26) 5 SWC | 300 Points Open in Infinity Army Spoiler: Mk2 Posthumans You need to proxy the Naga sniper as a proxy 2 sniper Operations Subsection of the S.S.S. ────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 9 SHAKTI Lieutenant Hacker (Killer Hacking Device. UPGRADE: Sucker Punch) Mk12, E/Marat / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (0 | 40) YADU MULTI Rifle, E/Marat, Drop Bears (Throwing Weapon) / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (0 | 36) RUDRA MULTI Rifle, Mine Dispenser / Electric Pulse. (0 | 39) APSARA (G: Jumper Level Z) Submachine Gun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 22) DAKINI Tacbot Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0 | 15) DAKINI Tacbot Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0 | 13) DAKINI Tacbot Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0 | 13) DEVA Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 31) PROXY Mk.2 MULTI Sniper Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 24) PROXY Mk.4 HMG, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 25) PROXY Mk.5 (Marksmanship LX) Mk12, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 17) GROUP 2 1 SHUKRA (Chain of Command) Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25) 4.5 SWC | 300 Points Open in Infinity Army
Are you serious? 3 different lists with 11/12 Orders. Not even for a beginner I would suggest this. I would always play a list with 10 or 13+ orders.
Shukra is in there, so 11/12 Orders is fine. Bigger problem is that most feature Naga MULTI Sniper, which is just bad.
