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Haqqislam in Kurage Crisis

Discussion in 'OOC' started by theGricks, Jun 23, 2018.

  1. theGricks

    theGricks Well-Known Member

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    Haqqislam shall continue in the manner it always has in the Kurage Crisis. "I have become so great as I am because I have won men's hearts by gentleness and kindliness."
    - Saladin

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  2. Sojourne

    Sojourne Irregular

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    Gricks, hope you don't mind me using your thread to jumpstart discussion on thoughts for our new mission.



    The new mission for us in the campaign: Frostbyte

    First thoughts (note these are from Van Haqq viewpoint):
    1) It's nuts and awesome at the same time! A Frankenstein combination of Looting & Sabotaging, Biotechvore, Frontline, and a dash of button flipping. I daresay we got the most interesting new mission out of anyone.

    2) Both Limited Insertion, and the ability for HI and TAGs to ignore the frost instant kill at end of game, means CB *really* wants we Haqq to get out of our comfort zone and play a heavier list than usual. Datatracker Maggie seems like almost a must take, with the fact that she can actually flip buttons(!) with WIP 14, attempt to secure the exclusion zone at the same time, be a very tough Datatracker target to be killed, and also get an extra order for herself.

    3) On first glance, this seems like a poorly designed mission where seizing initiative to take second turn is too important. You get the last chance to secure the zone, flip buttons, or even destroy the heating units. This could work for us though, because if the opponent wins initiative and takes second for themselves, our seems like almost-auto-include-for-me-here DA CCW Fiday can attempt to sneak in and blow up the opposing heating units since they only have ARM 2. Or try to assassinate their Datatracker and immediately lock the opponent out of 3 points since if you are successful, they can no longer secure the exclusion zone. Taking first also doesn't hurt so much because the opponent can't knock 2 orders off. The initiative decision in this mission is really very interesting, will like to hear more people's thoughts on this.

    4) Probably expecting a lot of opposing HI links and/or TAGs. Will be interesting because Van Haqq's traditional means of dealing with those with LI trade-ups and hackers might not be as effective in this mission and such a format.

    Let's build some lists and share them! Would love to see inputs from our HB and QK sectorials too on your thoughts for this mission.
     
    #2 Sojourne, Jun 23, 2018
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  3. Sojourne

    Sojourne Irregular

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    Just realized Frostbyte as a mission is not an ideal set up for Ariadna and Tohaa. Still possible of course, but more difficult I think. That could be something those doing the diplomatic stuff can consider for use in their negotiations..
     
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  4. LoganGarnett

    LoganGarnett Well-Known Member

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    Smth like this might work.

    [​IMG] Base Defence
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    [​IMG] TARIK MANSURI Lieutenant AP Rifle + Light Shotgun, Nanopulser, Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (+1 | 53)
    [​IMG] FASID Heavy Rocket Launcher, Submachine Gun, Antipersonnel Mines / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (2 | 45)
    [​IMG] JANISSARY Akbar Doctor (MediKit) AP Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 41)
    [​IMG] JANISSARY Missile Launcher / Pistol, CC Weapon. (2 | 37)
    [​IMG] ÁYYĀR (Surprise Shot L2) Shock Marksman Rifle / 2 Viral Pistols, CCW, Knife. (0 | 39)
    [​IMG] FIDAY Rifle + Light Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW, Knife. (0 | 31)
    [​IMG] GHULAM Rifle + Light Shotgun, Panzerfaust / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 15)
    [​IMG] GHULAM Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)
    [​IMG] GHULAM HMG / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 20)
    [​IMG] DAYLAMI Light Shotgun, Panzerfaust / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 7)

    6 SWC | 300 Points


    HI and DataTracker Tarik to survive the cold, Fiday to destroy opponent's heaters, Jannissary Doctor to keep everyone up and flip buttons.. Ayyar to do whatever Ayyar do best.
    Plus Ghilim and lone Daylami to provide some covering fire.

    Edit: Fixed my mistakes
     
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  5. Fangoman

    Fangoman New Member

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    Few observations from me:

    First of all I use almost never HI`s with this faction. I do not know well such units.
    For these reasons, I would keep leaving them home and build a list on light and medium infantries, as always. I would therefore build my list with the aim to activate the heating units and to prevent the enemy to switch them off (camo specialists, mines,...).
    I would try to fill the only available group with aggressive units and specialists. The list could be built (but it is just an example, without too much thinking) around a simple core:

    [​IMG] Haqqislam
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    [​IMG] TARIK MANSURI Spitfire, Nanopulser, Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (1.5 | 55)
    [​IMG] DJANBAZAN HMG / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 35)
    [​IMG] FIDAY Boarding Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW, Knife. (0 | 29)
    [​IMG] TUAREG Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Rifle + Light Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 35)
    [​IMG] GHULAM Doctor Plus (MediKit) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)

    3.5 SWC | 170 Points

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    Tarik with spitfire is surely more effective in an aggressive role. I am anyway convinced that he cannot be a LT, because the chances to lose him are high.
    The Djambazan is the unit that can be used to kill enemy units in overwatch (with the support of the smoke provided by the Fiday).
    The Fiday can be a bit more annoying for enemy HI, if equipped with a Boarding shotgun; I would try to use him in close quarter, taking advantage of his impersonation skills.
    An assault hacking device in TO camo is useful as specialist and to menace the enemy HI and TAG (if any). The enemy troopers in overwatch with MSV need to be killed before moving this unit, anyway.
    I think that a LI doctor plus is anyway a good choice for a cheap specialist.

    I could think to add a Farzan minelayer and a Ragik with spitfire: the first to defend heating units from enemy camo specialists, the second for some additional offence.
    75/0,5 points would then remain for additional three units to be defined...

    Coming to the previous posted list: it appears not to be not aggressive at all, by my point of view... missile launcher and heavy rocket launcher are ARO weapons (low burst) and I would not risk my HI in Overwatch, in order to fire them. These units do not give any negative bonuses to the enemy and would be quickly annihilated.
    The Jannissaries are cheap, but I do not see them too effective in the active phase... I would then eventually think about a Asawira with spitfire.

    Tarik does not have a good range with AP rifle, by my point of view, and there are no killers for the enemy snipers and ARO units.
     
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  6. LoganGarnett

    LoganGarnett Well-Known Member

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    Well, thought was: "Do I really need those heaters, when I can destroy them and watch my enemies freeze to death?"
    See no problem with Overwatch HI. They have plenty of resilience, Akbar Doc can revive them at full wounds, and HRL proved itself useful in active turn, as did coordinated Panzerfaust barrage.

    I tend to rush in with Tarik, avoiding AROs and engaging in short-ranged 1v1 or 1v2 duels, so AP Rifle+Shotgun usually do wonders for me.

    All I need is to destroy 3/4 heaters and hold my deployment zone. Situation would be different vs all TAG/HI armies, though.
     
  7. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    Mmmm...

    [​IMG] Qapu Khalqi
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    [​IMG] JENÍZARO Fusil AP + Escopeta Lig. + 1 TinBot A (Deflector N1) / Pistola, Arma CC. (0.5 | 37)
    [​IMG] JENÍZARO Médico Akbar (MediKit) Fusil AP + Escopeta Lig. / Pistola, Arma CC. (0 | 41)
    [​IMG] JENÍZARO Ametralladora / Pistola, Arma CC. (2 | 40)
    [​IMG] HAFZA (Observ. de Artillería) Fusil + Escopeta Lig. / Pistola, Cuchillo. (0 | 17)
    [​IMG] HAFZA Spitfire / Pistola, Cuchillo. (1 | 22)
    [​IMG] IGUANA Ametralladora, Lanzallamas Pesado / . (2 | 71)
    [​IMG] [​IMG] OPERADOR IGUANA Ametralladora / Pistola, Cuchillo. ()
    [​IMG] HAFZA Teniente Fusil + Escopeta Lig. / Pistola, Cuchillo. (0 | 16)
    [​IMG] ODALISCA (Fireteam: Haris) Fusil + Escopeta Lig. Nanopulser / Pistola, Cuchillo. (0.5 | 25)
    [​IMG] ODALISCA Subfusil, Contender, Nanopulser / Pistola, Cuchillo. (0 | 22)
    [​IMG] YUAN YUAN Chain Rifle, Granadas de Humo / Pistola, Arma CC DA. (0 | 9)
    6 CAP | 300 Puntos
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    I think the best option Qapu has here is to either use Yuan Yuan (not a good option for Limited Insertion) or gamble with the Hawwas... There is literally only ONE melee weapon with the "Antimaterial" trait on QK!!!
     
  8. theGricks

    theGricks Well-Known Member

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    This is a list I am testing currently and it has been great so far.

    EDIT: For some reason forum wont let me load my army list so heres the code.

    CwBgzAPmIhEJwFIwHYBsiCMYCsAORAQiVQ2xyWOXUQCZgdgiSbyVnqzcNCNUwsYYAN7UB2YE1H9BwWkUwhq7bGnmFFywWsQABfUA
     
  9. ik3rian

    ik3rian Anti-Ariadnian Specialist

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    [​IMG] Mr. Fasid, i don't feel so good
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    [​IMG] FASID Heavy Rocket Launcher, Submachine Gun, Antipersonnel Mines / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (2 | 45)
    [​IMG] AZRA'IL AP HMG / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 41)
    [​IMG] JANISSARY Akbar Doctor (MediKit) AP Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 41)
    [​IMG] ASAWIRA Doctor Plus (MediKit) Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 39)
    [​IMG] ÁYYĀR (Surprise Shot L2) Shock Marksman Rifle / 2 Viral Pistols, CCW, Knife. (0 | 39)
    [​IMG] HALQA (Forward Observer) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
    [​IMG] HALQA Lieutenant Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 15)
    [​IMG] HALQA Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15)
    [​IMG] TUAREG Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Rifle + Light Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 35)
    [​IMG] KRAKOT RENEGADE 2 Chain Rifles, Grenades / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 14)

    5.5 SWC | 300 Points

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    That is my thinking. Fasid DT + 3 HI specialists, plus two additional specialists up close. I am not going to place my bets on destroying enemy heaters, because he can deploy HI list. What could i do, is to capture the console and kill enemy DT. And score CO.
     
  10. JoKeR

    JoKeR HAWZA Instructor
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    Greetings, friends, & let me spread the Welcome speech of Swords of Prophet to all of you.
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    Greetings, commanders of Haqqislam! Since many newcomers have joined our ranks this year - let me clarify and answer some of your questions.
    “Who are you and why are you telling me this?”
    The Swords of the Prophet is a group of the most active and experienced players, setting specific goals in the past and in this campaign. The Swords are comprised of elected HHC members from former campaigns, as well as individuals who were appointed to critical staff positions, or nominated, and accepted for induction from within based on their involvement and commitment.

    “What is HHC (Haqqislam High Command)? “


    This is your guide in this campaign. This is a community in which you feel that you are not alone in this hard fight. These are your close comrades and seasoned veterans, ready to share their combat experience. HHC does not ask you to perceive them as some kind of real commanders, or people telling you what to do. All this campaign is made solely for one purpose - for players in Infinity to get a reason to play more interesting games, and get as much fun and pleasure as possible. However, the structure of the campaign implies the success of the faction - and this requires the coordinated action of most of its players. Therefore, in the flames of the struggle on the island of Flamia, HHC was born.
    “How do we decide who is in HHC?”
    All Haqqislam players are invited to nominate, and subsequently, vote for HHC representatives every year. The top three vote recipients will be the High Commanders for that campaign, with the fourth being the High Counselor. This is designed to prevent ties in voting if the Commanders disagree, by keeping an odd number as frequently as possible (the Counselor can step in to break a tie in urgent situations if a Commander can’t be reached in a timely manner.) These people are chosen to be the face and voice of the whole faction, dealing with players of other factions like IC (In Character) and OOC (Out of Character). In the last campaign, Corvus Belli themselves expressed a desire to communicate with the representatives of the High Command of each faction in order to understand the goals and aspirations of the players in the campaign and also to pass secret goals to each faction, which makes the campaign and coordinated actions even more fascinating.
    “Where do I fall in?”
    If you already imagine how the games of the campaign are going on, you can easily understand the current structure of Swords of Allah, the army of Haqqislam. It consists of three groups of players:
    Irregular troop - players who are rarely interested in the "politics" of the campaign, and just playing with friends and leaving reports on the forum of the campaign. Their contribution is as valuable as all other players.
    Regular troops are players who monitor the situation in campaign areas and, with the guidance of HHC, act in a coordinated manner - for example, attacking specific sectors, fighting against specific factions and not attacking the Haqqislam’s allies.
    The Swords of Prophet itself, the special forces, which are the main attacking force of Haqqislam, the first to go into battle before the HHC asks for help from Regular troops. However, swords are not some kind of closed group. Anyone who is interested in active movements at the forum of the campaign, shares tactics and considerations on the fulfillment of missions, offer their opinion on the relationship between factions and the solution of current problems in the campaign are welcomed in Swords ranks.
    “OK. Now what?”
    This year's campaign promises to be shorter than in the past, so the Swords of Prophet is asking you to help select a new Command in the shortest possible time - within the first 72 hours after the start of the campaign. Any player can nominate for a post in the HHC, and if he is supported by the majority, he will become one of the participants in this coordinating organization. We will also be introducing a fourth major staff position, which will be appointed subsequent to the election. After the Wotan campaign, not all players were satisfied that the contribution of the Haqqislam faction was not accurately reflected in the final chapter of the campaign, and this year it is planned to elect the Chronicler, who will directly communicate with Corvus Belli and create the most accurate and interesting story of successes and (possibly) defeats of Haqqislam in the new campaign.

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